Wikidata:Property proposal/Dose

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Dose[edit]

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   Under discussion
Representsdose (Q473420)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed unitsMilligrams, micrograms, international units
Example
route of administration (P636) = oral administration (Q285166)
time period of periodically occurring event (P2257) = 1 day
Sourceen:Dose (biochemistry)
Planned usePlan is to use as a qualifier for the price of different medications
Robot and gadget jobsEventually
Motivation

Doses of medications will be required for listing prices or defining how a medication is usually taken.

For example the typical dose of amoxicillin is 500 mg po TID

The wholesale price of 500 mg of amoxicillin is 0.063 USD as of July 17th, 2019 in the United States.[1]

Right now we are using "quantity" but when one adds 400 mg it gives a warning Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

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  • @Doc James: Please provide a description for the property and examples.
    I'm a bit weary about the potential of people adding a dose to the chemical compounds. Inutively it seems to me like only packaged drugs have a dosis and the dosis isn't a property of the underlying chemical substances. ChristianKl❫ 14:06, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question Should this property also address dose units for other than chemicals, such as for Q186161 ionizing radiation? LeadSongDog (talk) 17:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
    • User:LeadSongDog you mean in a medication related context? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:38, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
      • No, not just in medication-related context: In a ionizing radiation safety context, workers wear dosimetry badges to track occupational exposure; In semiconductors, defined quantities of neutrons cause defined p-type doping effects; In a photochemistry context, defined quantities of light are used to power many reactions (e.g. photosynthesis, epoxy polymerization, cross-linking of synthetic rubbers, etc.); In food safety, defined radiation doses can be used to sterile-package uncooked foods as an alternative to Pasteurization. LeadSongDog (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Isn't this what defined daily dose (P4250) is for? There are also some related properties like acceptable daily intake (P2542) that cover other aspects of this. In any case the current proposal is too ill-defined to be suitable here. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:47, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
    Oh, hang on, you just want a property that works like "quantity" but allows units/non-integer values? It looks like we don't have something for that at all - how about calling this "amount" then? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:53, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
    User:ArthurPSmith yes perfectly happy with calling it "amount". What we are looking for is a dosage which is an amount for a medication. DDD is a specific type of amount as is ADI. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    @Doc James: We might want to try a completely new proposal for that - this one seems a little too tied to the medical context; we should also come up with some other examples where it would be useful, I'm sure they exist! ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    User:ArthurPSmith Actually it might be best to tie this specifically to medications. We could remove a constraint from quantity (P1114) but that could have a lot of negative effects. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:11, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I checked defined daily dose (P4250) and acceptable daily intake (P2542) to see how the proposal modeled examples for those properties. There is hardly any modeling. I tried to do some modeling here in this edit. Before it referred to an item, and now there is still that item linked but I also tried to move the administration and event frequencies here for discussion. To talk about a dose, we need an amount, a time period, and an administration route, right? Is it still worthwhile to describe a dose with less information than that? What other information is also helpful?
    I am unsure with Arthur about overlap with those existing properties, which may be sufficient. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
    • We may also need formulation, like is it extended release, oral dissolving tablet, liquid, tablet, capsule, etc. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:01, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support It is needed for the particular usage of medecine. Antoine2711 (talk) 21:11, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Use "quantity", and fix the constraints. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)