Wikidata:Property proposal/Billed height

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billed height[edit]

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DescriptionClaimed (stage), not real height (for real use P2048)
Representsprofessional wrestler (Q13474373), martial artist (Q11124885), actor (Q33999) etc
Data typeQuantity
Template parameteren:Template:Infobox professional wrestler: height; it:Template:Infobox wrestler: Altezza dichiarata; ru:Template:Рестлер: Объявляемый рост
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values0<272 cm
Allowed unitsmillimetre (Q174789), centimetre (Q174728), metre (Q11573), inch (Q218593), foot (Q3710)
Example 1Hulk Hogan (Q44176) → 204 cm
Example 2The Undertaker (Q44304) → 6 ft 10 in
Example 3Dwayne Johnson (Q10738) → 1.93 m
Number of IDs in source4200
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoheight (P2048)

Motivation

In wrestling and some other stage competitions, participants often use not only fictitious names, but also fictitious height, weight and place of residence. Using existing properties is incorrect, as they may differ significantly. evs 💬 22:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

Why not just split the character into a separate item from the actor, and use the regular properties? --Yair rand (talk) 00:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
They are not characters but real persons with some fictitious characteristics, just like pseudonym (P742). Separate them into different articles is incorrect and contrary with existing practice, articles and templates. —evs 💬 03:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting having separate articles, I'm saying there should be separate Wikidata items. Given an entire fictional backstory and characteristics, I think that these are certainly as much characters as, say, Stephen Colbert (Q4827730). --Yair rand (talk) 03:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I do not know how in this case the Infoboxes will work: they should display in one article both real name of person and their real parameters, and those that are reported on TV shows, to make readers feel the difference. Linking the same article to different Wikidata items is impossible, as far as I know. —evs 💬 04:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support --Haseo596 (talk) 03:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I completely agree with Yair rand here, this should be regular properties on a fictitious character, just as we have for any other invented personality. As to the infobox issue, if there's a technical problem, it should be solved at that level, not by adding redundant properties here. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
1) They are not fictional characters. 2) There is no possibility to link more than one items to one article page, by design. evs 💬 18:45, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Infoboxes can use data from items other than the one linked to the article. --Yair rand (talk) 19:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Can you show some examples where that is fully implemented? Usage of #statements or #property does not assume such. evs 💬 15:32, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
@Harmonia Amanda: you have some experience writing infoboxes right, this can be done? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
You totally can. Most infoboxes that I know have a "wikidata = " parameter where you enter the Qid you want to be shown. It's mostly used so you can have the complete infobox of the article you want when working on your sandbox, but there is absolutely no reason the same system couldn't be used to show several items content. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
And how can I get that QID? How the "fictional" page can be linked? evs 💬 16:03, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
By the way, another solution would be to use the same properties on the wrestler page, add the fictional values and use the qualifiers applies to part (P518), sourcing circumstances (P1480)... The infoboxes should also be able to filter according to the qualifiers. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2018 (UTC)--Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
In that cases infoboxes mostly will show both parameters because there is no any filters active now. And the real parameters does not require a qualifier. evs 💬 16:03, 20 July 2018 (UTC)