Wikidata:Property proposal/langue sœur

sister language

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	language derived from the same language as this language
Represents	sister language (Q94583810)
Data type	élément (item)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domain	linguistics (Q8162)
Allowed values	modèle Q
Example 1	Angevin (Q56782) → Berrichon (Q2899128)
Example 2	Irish (Q9142) → Scottish Gaelic (Q9314)
Example 3	Alemannic (Q131339) → Bavarian (Q29540)
Source	référence externe, article de liste de Wikipédia.
Planned use	Sur les langues d’Oïl et indo-européennes dans un premier cas, mais servira vite pour toutes les langues
Expected completeness	no label (Q21873974 (complète à terme))
See also	langue fille, langue mère

Motivation

Je suis en train de classifier les langues et notamment leurs relations diachroniques entre elles. Cette propriété sera vraiment utile pour lier les langues et générer des arbres linguistiques en diachronie. Lyokoï (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

user:Arlo Barnes user:Daniel Mietchen Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) user:Infovarius user:Lore.mazza81 user:Middle river exports user:Nikki user:Popcorndude user:SM5POR user:SynConlanger

Notified participants of WikiProject Linguistics

Discussion

•  Weak oppose Would the information captured in this not be redundant? I can get the same information from a query, for example - for Alemannic (Q131339)sister languageBavarian (Q29540) I can just do

  SELECT ?sisterLanguage ?sisterLanguageLabel ?parentLanguage ?parentLanguageLabel WHERE {
    wd:Q29540 wdt:P279 ?parentLanguage.
    ?parentLanguage (wdt:P31 / wdt:P279*) wd:Q17376908.
    ?sisterLanguage wdt:P279 ?parentLanguage.
    SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  }
  

  Try it!

I'm wary of redundant info, maybe you could use your common.js and add the information to pages like that? (see Wikidata:Tools/Enhance_user_interface) Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 10:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I just saw the "mother language" proposal, I think the above query using that property would be exactly the values for this property, so I think we should make "mother language" and avoid this. Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 10:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

•  Oppose redundant.--GZWDer (talk) 10:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Strong oppose per Iwan.Aucamp. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 02:07, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment The WikiProject Languages has not yet been notified. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Iwan.Aucamp. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Not done per comments above. --- Jura 16:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC)