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Eliminate

Could anyone eliminate this. I rushed over and created an existing page for the same link. Conde Edmond Dantès (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Elimination likely isn't the answer. It sounds to me like you created a dublicated item. In that case you have to merge both items that are about the same thing. ChristianKl❫ 11:12, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussing a potential merge

I think the items comptroller (Q673633) and Q12306661 should be merged. As far as I can tell, they are both about the occupation, called "comptroller" or "controller". Some of the links should arguably be in the item auditor (Q10949665) instead. The thing is, I'm not completely certain to what extent these concepts overlap in all of the different languages. Where should I bring this potential merge up for discussion? Gabbe (talk) 04:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

No languages

"⧼valueview-expertextender-languageselector-languagetemplate⧽" instead of languages for name (P2561) is showing in the list of languages. Eurohunter (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, this could be related to Wikidata:Project_chat#Unit_box_not_appearing?. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 16:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Yup (not certain if actually related but we’re tracking it in the same task), I’m on it right now --Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE) (talk) 16:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Seems to be fixed now. --Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE) (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I wonder how the value of ⧼valueview-expertextender-languageselector-languagetemplate⧽ can be queried in a multi-property query. Please see Yiddish list. Thanks for your feedback in advance! Best regards
no bias — קיין אומוויסנדיקע פּרעפֿערענצן — keyn umvisndike preferentsn talk contribs 07:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

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request for merge

Hi! I created Ragnheiður Steindórsdóttir (Q66057526) because of a misspelling on a related webpage but today trying to write an article I could find the already existing Ragnheiður Steindórsdóttir (Q16424080) which is already linked to iswiki. Please merge the items. Thanks in advance!
I assume that Wikidata:Project chat ahouls have a high level selector "'Request merge". Best regards
no bias — קיין אומוויסנדיקע פּרעפֿערענצן — keyn umvisndike preferentsn talk contribs 10:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Antu games-solve.svg Merged. Please read Help:Merge for instructions on how you can do it yourself. - Premeditated (talk) 10:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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import from WP infobox

Is there a tool that imports infobox field entries from WP for existing WD items? People make updates in WP which don't get reflected here. --SCIdude (talk) 08:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I will recommend using harvesttemplates for an easy interface, and the pywikibot script harvest_template.py for more advance usage. DISCLAIMER: Be careful with what you import as the tool it not very smart and just include everything that has a WP-link. - Premeditated (talk) 08:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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edit check

I'm wondering what I did wrong to trigger a revert - see this If I'm messing up - let me know now before I continue too much further. Reverts usually signal something really wrong. TY for your time Ched (talk) 15:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

  • The field is called "description" so adding "description" in there isn't really helpful. Try to write a sentence "<heat lightening> <is (a)> <text from description>"
BTW, English labels and descriptions should usually start with lowercase letters. No period at the end. Help:Description might help.
"lightning not accompanied by thunder sound" might do. --- Jura 15:43, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
good point on the word "description" - trying to remember lower case and no period - thanks for your time Ched (talk) 15:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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Petscan ?

Hi,
Petscan is down for me since yesterday. Am I alone ? I've try Firefox and Chrome, same thing. I've try to find a bug on Phabricator, but I see nothing. I though to enter an issue, but Magnus is away, so someone/somewhere else to contact ? Simon Villeneuve (talk) 10:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Simon Villeneuve: PetScan is down for me as well. I've reported it to Phabricator (phab:T229921) since it might be something out of his control. Jc86035 (talk) 11:47, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
This is likely related to a planned maintenance downtime of the server [1]. --Pasleim (talk) 15:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Magnus restarted Petscan this morning. — Envlh (talk) 06:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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Would it be safe

to set the sex or gender (P21) for those 63700 items to male?

select ?item where {
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5 .
  ?item wdt:P735 ?voornaam .
  ?voornaam wdt:P31 wd:Q12308941 .      
  optional {?item wdt:P21 ?geslacht} .
  filter (!bound(?geslacht))}

Try it!  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edoderoo (talk • contribs) at 19:25, 30 July 2019‎ (UTC).

It's possible that there would be some errors, since it's not unheard of for females to be given supposedly male given names, including in middle names, and vice versa (e.g., Willy Kanis (Q388542). There are also Wikidata oddities, such as "Marian" having different items for "male" and "female" versions: Marian (Q545486) and Marian (Q20155725). There's no guarantee that the right one will be used: Marian Hedwig Mülberger (Q55906557). Ghouston (talk) 04:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that's a good idea. ChristianKl❫ 13:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Imho it also sounds a bit risky. Given name may not unfrequently shifts gender accross countries or time period (or get mixed up with false friends) and I'm not certain Wikidata currently reflects all theses subtleties. Alexander Doria (talk) 13:59, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Good example of this problem: Maria (Q25413386). - Jmabel (talk) 15:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
It sound more than "a bit" risky, I guess it would possible to cross this with other data to be sure it' actually men? For instance if it's a priest and with a male given name, then it's very likely a man (just to illustrate my point, it's not a very good example, there is only 8 priests in these results) Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 19:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I actually see exactly the same issues if I fill in the gender by hand, so I should refrain by editing someones gender, until I had a chance to peek into their pants? Another question, why do we register gender, first of all, especially if it is so tricky to fill it in. Edoderoo (talk) 07:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
There can be references, typically where somebody is referred to with a gendered pronoun. Ghouston (talk) 09:15, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Why would a gendered pronoun be more a more useful reference then the property on the wikidata item of the first name? Edoderoo (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Because the gendered pronoun directly implies which gender the person has while first names are in many countries relatively unregulated and contain many expections. ChristianKl❫ 11:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
If you look more carefully to the SparQL, you will see that the gender is defined in the linked first name. For the names that have no specific gender, like Mischa (Q18229299) the query has no outcome. For firstnames that can be both male or female, like Marian, there are two wikidata-items. I assume that they are not randomly given to peoples wikidata-item. The above script should not set male to females, unless someone attached a male firstname to a female. Then the error is already there. Edoderoo (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I've assumed that "male given name" just means the name is usually assigned to males, and there's nothing wrong with using that item for females too. Having two items for the same name would seem silly, because they are the same name after all. Ghouston (talk) 01:53, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Personally I wouldn't name it silly, as it just depends how far do you want to specify a first name. You can easily defend that Maria, Marja, Mara and Marian have the same origin, and are therefor the same first name. About assumptions you are right. My assumption is that we can freely copy the assumed gender from the first name in case it is missing. When entering it manually, we do exactly the same thing after all. Edoderoo (talk) 08:17, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Should we have male and female versions even of "unisex" names like Adrian (Q372250)? What would be the advantage? Every name is potentially unisex. I think a better idea would be to change the descriptions "male given name" or "female given name" to just "given name". I was momentarily confused by Adrian (Q372250) because the description in Dutch is "mannelijke voornaam", or "male forename", so I wondered if there was a female version, but there doesn't seem to be. In cases where there are two versions of a name, we also haven't considered which one to use for people of unknown sex or non-binary sex. Ghouston (talk) 08:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
@Edoderoo: We register gender because it's information that people care about. It allows automated scripts to find the right pronoun. It always people to answer questions such as "Which are the 5 biggest cities that are ruled by female majors" via SPARQL that are hard to answer without Wikidata. ChristianKl❫ 11:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
In Sweden we have the tradition that we add the name of the hamlet somebody comes from into the name. Then the name would still be female even if it is used on a male person. (Or the other way around.) IP 62.20.170.74 (Hej!) 09:02, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

soweego 1.0 release

(Please disregard this message if you have already read it in the Wikidata mailing list, and apologies for the distraction)

  • TL;DR: soweego version 1 is out!
  • Like it? Star it!

Hi everyone,

The soweego team is delighted to announce the release of version 1! If you like it, why don't you click on the Star button?

soweego links Wikidata to large catalogs through machine learning. It partners with Mix'n'match, which mainly deals with small catalogs.

Soweego bot (talkcontribslogs) is currently uploading 255 k confident links to Wikidata: see it in action! 126 k medium-confident links are instead getting into Mix'n'match for curation: see the current catalogs [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10].

The soweego team has also worked hard to address the following community requests:

  1. sync Wikidata to external catalogs & check them to spot inconsistencies in Wikidata;
  2. import new catalogs with reasonable effort.

Thinking of the best way to contribute? Try to import a new catalog.

Best,

Hjfocs (talk) 08:59, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Have thought about this possible application of machine learning in the past, very cool stuff, will be keeping an eye on this! --SilentSpike (talk) 13:07, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@Hjfocs: Just curious, could you please give a definition of „large catalogs“? What means that? A dataset with more than X records? --Succu (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@SilentSpike: thanks for the kind words and the star on GitHub! Stay tuned for version 1.1 proposal: m:Grants:Project/Rapid/Hjfocs/soweego_1.1.
@Succu: thanks for the nice question. The order of magnitude is millions of records. For instance, the latest Internet Movie Database (Q37312) name dump (people) [11] contains 9.5 million entries roughly.
Cheers, Hjfocs (talk) 16:55, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Searching only aliases and descriptions

list of most viewed online videos in first 24 hours (Q22954400), gl (Q29733870), and 3 branches of goverment (Q56490649) all contain "none" in either description or alias fields. Is there a way to search for these errors without also picking up every item that contains the word "none" somewhere else? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

  • [12]--GZWDer (talk) 02:54, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Thanks, GZWDer. I think I've cleaned them all out now, and I left messages for the two bots involved. (The rest were either IPs or people who use enwiki's "Shortdesc" script.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:13, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

sporadicall error - unable to achieve clickable link at qualifier point in time (P585)

Hi! Please look at Abraham Sutzkever (Q330652). I was not able to achieve a clickable link for the value added at point in time (P585). It is the first time that I can not get such a link. Not shure what interface language I used at the other contributions. Would be happy about any suggestion and fixing. Best regards
no bias — קיין אומוויסנדיקע פּרעפֿערענצן — keyn umvisndike preferentsn talk contribs 08:16, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Merge request

Hi, could someone merge human being (Q28937368) with human (Q5). It is obviouly a duplication. thx, --Yanik B 08:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

  • I merged the items. It seems that the linked article on the French Wikipedia is the one for human.ChristianKl❫ 08:25, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
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Moving statements from one property to another

Is there a way to easily move statements from quote (P1683) to quotation or excerpt (P7081)? The former property should only be used in references to include supporting text from a quotation (and is apparently usable for qualifiers but I'm not sure if that's an appropriate use case), so it would be nice to have something similar to {{Autofix}} for those. Right now there are a few dozen constraint violations which would be resolved by changing to the newer property. Jc86035 (talk) 16:55, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Pasleim:.--GZWDer (talk) 17:00, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Write mw.loader.load( '//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Matěj_Suchánek/moveClaim.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript', 'text/javascript' ); // [[User:Matěj Suchánek/moveClaim.js]] to Special:MyPage/common.js. Then reload the property page P1683, and you'll see move/copy buttons on each claim. —MisterSynergy (talk) 17:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: I already had that installed. Did you copy the wrong JS? The script is only for copying statements between different items, not for changing the property while retaining the statements on the same item. Jc86035 (talk) 17:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh I see, I misunderstood your request. You don't want to move claims between property pages, you want to move claims in items from one property to another. Yeah, that needs bot code, not a user script.
Fortunately, I have such code as well, adapted from Pasleim's version a while ago. If you describe your task in more detail, I can have a look whether I can help you. Pasleim seems to be quite busy offwiki these days. —MisterSynergy (talk) 17:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: There are only 41 affected items, though I wouldn't really want to replace them all manually. The lexemes should probably be using usage example (P5831) instead, and I think most of the items should be using quotation or excerpt (P7081) (or the statements should be removed). As an example, on Article 1 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany (Q712652), I would want the statements to essentially be unchanged except for the property number (the datatypes are the same). Jc86035 (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Article 1 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany (Q712652) is done per Special:Diff/991089102 (except for the copyright status (P6216) qualifier which is now being suggested). I just need QIDs to perform those moves, and it is fairly simple for me to do that. So if you sort that out, I'd do the moves. Lexemes are not supported by the move script anyways, thus you need to fix them manually. —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@MisterSynergy: Having checked all of the statements on items, it seems most of the statements are problematic in other ways, though I would still move most of them to quotation or excerpt (P7081). I think a more in-depth discussion about the acceptable uses of quotation-related properties (e.g. through proposing a property for quotations about things, or proposing to widen the scope of quotation or excerpt (P7081)) would be necessary to determine whether we should keep this data.

In summary, at most four of these would work without any constraint violations (if none of the P7081 constraints are changed). Jc86035 (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I just moved statements in 12 items, as indicated above. Let me know if you need more moves… —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Unit box not appearing?

Trying to add area (P2046) to Toddbrook Reservoir (Q7348277), I can add the value, but the box to select the unit doesn't appear - and I can save the value without a unit. Is anyone else having this problem? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Same issue with monolingual text. Ayack (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Phabricator task T229604 seems related... ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Is working again now. - Premeditated (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
It is, thanks to whoever fixed it. :-) Mike Peel (talk) 20:31, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks to him or her! Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:57, 1 August 2019 (UTC).
That was a very temporary fix, it just stopped working again :( Moebeus (talk) 22:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

sporadical error - unable to add qualifier title (P1476)

Hi! I added Nikolaus Lenau „Der Postillion" as YouTube video ID (P1651) to Fritz Stavenhagen (Q1440135). This is the third item where I can not add the qualifier title (P1476). Normally a second input field should open automatically requiring to add the mandatory addition about the language of the title / video content. Without the language code I can not publish my additions.The other cases I could not add title are: St. George's Cathedral (Q1062101) and Nikolaus Lenau (Q84280 . Please confirm and if possible let me know how to avoid this error. Thanks in advance! Regarcs
no bias — קיין אומוויסנדיקע פּרעפֿערענצן — keyn umvisndike preferentsn talk contribs 23:41, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

This is the same error as above and as reported here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T229604 and here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T229632 Very unfortunate bug, affects dates , titles, subtitles, units, etc. Moebeus (talk) 00:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Moebeus for the feedback! Is there a possibility to add a trace qualifier to be able to fix the title at a later stage. I will probably find hundred othes as Alter Kacyzne (Q302639). Best regards
no bias — קיין אומוויסנדיקע פּרעפֿערענצן — keyn umvisndike preferentsn talk contribs 05:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Please also see Wikidata:Project_chat#No_languages. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks M2k~dewiki! I added the missing titles including the language. Best regards
no bias — קיין אומוויסנדיקע פּרעפֿערענצן — keyn umvisndike preferentsn talk contribs 07:45, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Son of the cousin

Hello. Do we have item for "the son of the cousin"? Something like niece (Q3403377). I found it as "first cousins once removed" in English. Xaris333 (talk) 01:59, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Hans-Georg Münzberg

How do I add DNB ID 122752996 to his entry Q66103475? + there must be other authority control numbers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: the easiest way: in your Preferences > Gadgets, turn on the "Authority Control" gadget. On the person's item page, click "Authority Control" in the left menu and + to add a whole set of identifiers at once. Watch out for duplicate names, and reload the page to see the entries. - PKM (talk) 20:17, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
The "Identifiers" header does not need to be created manually. The statements are automatically moved into that "section" when they are created, so you can also use the link right above the "identifiers" header to add these properties without needing to scroll all the way down. Circeus (talk) 20:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Merge request

Can someone merge https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55316619 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30294921, preferably keeping the entry as Q302... ? Thank you!  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 50.236.252.20 (talk • contribs).

Hi dear IP,
you can do it yourself: please see Special:MergeItems.
Best, Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:54, 8 August 2019 (UTC).
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reverted contribution

Hi! Q2438|oldid=prev&diff=990675452 is about a revert by Tacsipacsi concerning December 18 (Q2438). I might understand that the killing of inocent people during the start of the Romanian revolution is of litte interest to some contributors.But the addition is a valuable testimony especially for people from Timisoara / Romania. I would like to here some other opinions about this. Thanks in advance! Best regarcs
no bias — קיין אומוויסנדיקע פּרעפֿערענצן — keyn umvisndike preferentsn talk contribs 23:52, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't think this would be a valid use of YouTube video ID (P1651), since the statement would violate the property's type constraint. Jc86035 (talk) 05:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I agree. That property is for copies on Youtube of the audiovisual work described in an item (films, trailers, music videos, etc.). It's not intended as a way to add links to Youtube videos merely containing some information related in some way to the topic. --Kam Solusar (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

similar items

sound recording (Q5057302) and audio recording (Q3302947)

While searching I found sound recording (Q5057302) and audio recording (Q3302947). Aren't they pretty much the same? --D-Kuru (talk) 09:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

On a second thought after think about why one is linked from the other. One seems to be the action of recording, the other seems to be the result of that action. If so, we should update the description to be more clear. --D-Kuru (talk) 09:46, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Or maybe audio recording (Q3302947) could be called audio record? The alias of sound recording (Q5057302) is audio recording which does not really help a lot here. --D-Kuru (talk) 09:56, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

central processing unit (Q5300) and processor (Q1466064)

As above, central processing unit (Q5300) and processor (Q1466064) look pretty much the same. Is there any page where such similar items can be discussed? --D-Kuru (talk) 11:20, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Ineligible for copyright

There are a number of items representing concepts which could form and/or be described as creative works, but are nevertheless not copyrightable due to not being complex enough (e.g. C diminished seventh (Q58233626)). The Commons analogues are c:Template:PD-ineligible and c:Template:PD-shape. Is there an item which can be used as a determination method (P459) qualifier for copyright status (P6216) statements, or does one need to be created? Jc86035 (talk) 17:29, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Common needs these templates to mark files, which could (in theory) be copyrighted, hence the need for the template. I don't think there is a need for something like that here. Circeus (talk) 20:35, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Your example can be marked up like this; which is factually correct, but perhaps does not serve any useful purpose. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

same label and description

I can't understand why we can't have two items with the same label and description. Georgios Papadopoulos (Q53996986) Georgios Papadopoulos (Q66108465) Xaris333 (talk) 20:01, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

because the description are supposed to be disambiguating and if they are not, they're no more useful than there being no description at all? Circeus (talk) 20:40, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
The other reason, I think, is that if there are two items with the same label and description, it is quite likely that they're duplicates. So the prohibition is a nice reminder to double-check for that -- and if indeed they're not duplicates, the requirement to make the description distinct (to get past the prohibition) also serves to make the description more specific and more useful as a discriminator. —Scs (talk) 13:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Movement Strategy online surveys - opportunity to share your thoughts about reworking movement structures

Community conversations are an integral part of movement strategy “Wikimedia 2030”. They have been ongoing in multiple formats and in numerous languages over the last 2.5 years. Now it is possible to also contribute to the development of recommendations on structural change via an online survey. We are keeping the survey open for additional 2 weeks and post it to wikis to provide wider opportunities to participate for people interested in it.

The survey is available in 8 languages: Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, Simplified Chinese, and Spanish. They contain designated questions about each of the nine thematic areas that the working groups are analyzing and drafting recommendations for. You can freely choose the thematic areas you want to contribute and respond to. The survey questions have been created and designed by the members of the working groups.

Here is the link to the survey.

Here you can find more information about the survey.

With any questions, please contact me on my meta user talk page.

Thank you for your kind attention! --KVaidla (WMF) (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

p.s. If this is not the right place to post such message on your wiki, I apologize. Feel free to move it where appropriate according to your guidelines. Thank you!

Wikidata items for references/citations?

Can Wikidata be used to store references for Wikipedia? I mean, today a Wikipedia article uses a book as reference. My question is can we make an item on Wikidata for the book and then use the Wikidata item as a reference in an article? Like this, references could be tracked easily, being shared among multiple articles etc.--Kozuch (talk) 11:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

PS: In Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2018-2019/Final I can see following: "High quality citations support verifiability. To build a more reliable internet based in facts, we need a more robust network of references on and beyond Wikipedia." This may point to using Wikidata for citations.--Kozuch (talk) 11:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Wikidata stores most of the fields needed for w:Template:Citation. I think there is some development ongoing to store it more systematically (cite extension?).
Also, Wikidata stores references for specific statements that can be displayed on Wikipedia (e.g. date of birth). Not that this is really new. --- Jura 11:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

That is a very interesting topic that you have brought up and will most likely be a hot topic for Wikidata in the time yet to come. I think that Wikidata Bridge will be the project to really make this change come alive, and connect Wikidata and Wikipedia like Wikipedia and Commons are linked today. If you are looking for an existing way of using Wikidata entries with w:Template:Citation. Will I recommend using w:Template:Wikidata. - Premeditated (talk) 13:25, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  • I don't quite see the relation, but w:Template:Cite Q might be closer to what Kozuch has in mind. --- Jura 13:33, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
    Cite Q documentation has the following warning at the beginning:
Warning: From the TfD closure: "[...] works-in-progress should rarely be used in the article space until they are 99% finished/accurate/etc. Until the matter of transcluding Wikidata on Wikipedia is resolved (most likely with a huge and contentious RFC) usage of this template should be extremely vetted to ensure that all of the transcluded information is accurate."
 – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jc3s5h (talk • contribs).
  • Well that's just enwiki and it's not even red there. Other Wikipedias might not require their volunteers to re-copy references for each statement. --- Jura 17:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment When you talk about making a Wikidata item for a book, you need to be careful, because a book (in Wikidata terms) should never be cited. A "book" can mean a particular work, or a particular edition of that work, or a particular physical copy of that edition. For that reason Wikiproject:Books has rejected the use of book (Q571). Instead you should cite an edition of a book. In other words, you need one data item for the work and another data item for the edition (specific year, specific publisher, specific ISBN, etc.), and you should cite that edition of the work. Different editions will have different publication details, possibly different page numbers, and even different text, so it is important to cite the particular edition used as a source. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:03, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Checking if a concept exist in Wikidata

Wisselstraat Brussel Zuid.jpg

In Dutch there is the railway term 'wisselstraat' for a combination of Double slips (Q14905968) crossing diagonaly the other tracks. In de Commons:Category:Railway points in Belgium there are many examples of this. Is there a Wikidata item for this? It is a combination of Q14905968. In Dutch there is only a redirect nl:Wisselstraat (spoorweg) is 'wisselstraat' kan also be a ordinary streetname. ('straat' is 'street' in English) As in Wisselstraat (Q29939452).Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: If you're referring to the concept of multiple double slips one after the other (as in the photo), I don't think this concept exists in most languages so it's probably safe to assume that a Wikidata item doesn't exist. If there isn't an existing sitelink then I probably wouldn't create an item for it, although I guess you could create a lexeme for "wisselstraat" and then link a new item for the concept to the lexeme. Jc86035 (talk) 16:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I am thinking of using 'multiple double slips lane' for a Commons category. This is then a start. Can later be added to Wikidata.Smiley.toerist (talk) 14:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

"Error in Wikidata"

Can someone point me to or perhaps explain how to fix issues arising from "Error in Wikidata". In particular at Ovis aries. DonSpencer1 (talk) 03:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the problem is that the VN template used by the Commons gallery is intended to be linked with a species item on Wikidata, but the gallery has been linked with a common name item instead. It should be linked with Ovis aries (Q29350771), not sheep (Q7368). Ghouston (talk) 06:45, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #376

dedicated to / named after / titular

Hello! As you may know, churches, chapels and altars are named after a saint or another religious figure (God, Trinity), which is called "titular [saint]"; for example, the titular of a "Saint Paul church" is saint Paul. As far as I know, currently there are two properties used for it, property:P825 ("dedicated to") and property:P138 ("named after"); both are somehow correct, but a new "titular" property would be far more appropriate. Is it possible to create it? --Syrio posso aiutare? 12:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Also commemorates (P547). What issue would another property address? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
And also patron saint (P417). --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 16:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll be honest and say if something like that was proposed, I would very much oppose it. named after (P138) is the perfect property for this. Circeus (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
xkcd = 927 Jheald (talk) 19:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Modeling the Survey of Scottish Witchcraft database on Wikidata - which property proposals to go forward with

Hi, currently have a property proposal in place for 'manner of torture/punishment' in place but looking at other interesting data in the Survey of Scottish witchcraft database and looking at where there maybe a good case to argue for inclusion on Wikidata and a new property proposal:

  • Date of torture (add as qualifier to manner of torture/punishment using Point in Time?)
  • Date of confession
  • Location of confession
  • Date of arrest
  • marital status - assume we would just link to spouses, children, siblings, relatives using those existing properties? However, this is sparse.
  • accused of - there is rich information in terms of the different things the accused witches are actually accused of e.g. devil's mark, shapechanging (to a cat, a dog, a hare, an apparition).
  • Ordeal type - technically distinct from the extrajudicial torture that took place although many ordeals involved painful procedures, this was a test conducted in order to let nature or God reveal the truth. Values would include: Bierricht (corpse bleeds), Ducking (otherwise known as the water test, Pricking (the body of the suspect witch was pricked with pins in order to find a Devil’s mark). I imagine we could characterise under manner of torture/punishment if having a separate property for ordeal proved inappropriate. Although this test would have formed part of the trial process.
  • Ordeal date.
  • Cause of malice - why the accused witches were accused of acting as they did (values such as revenge, debt, slander, grudge, failed business). Could Has Cause (P828) be used here? It is more of an accusation/complaint than a direct cause though.

Any thoughts on how these could work? Stinglehammer (talk) 11:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Stinglehammer: Try to use as much as possible significant event (P793):this reduces the need of specialized properties.
Ex: significant event (P793):confession (Q1219996)
point in time (P585):XX.XX.XXXX
Or significant event (P793):arrest (Q1403016)
point in time (P585):XX.XX.XXXX
location (P276):Y
Snipre (talk) 22:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
@Stinglehammer: There is the property convicted of (P1399) too. Snipre (talk) 06:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks Snipre, this is very useful and a good workaround which encompasses much of what we're looking to achieve. We had planned on using significant event (P793) to link the accused witch to the item on their witch trial. I would just question how useful it is to have confession, arrest, trial and more all under the significant event (P793) umbrella from a modelling and querying point of view. If the general consensus is this is best practice then can certainly import with that method in mind. Any thoughts on the other property types I mentioned? Stinglehammer (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I think an "accused of" property could be valuable and even extend easily to modern persons/companies (where subject item of this property (P1629) is accused (Q28056401)). The "cause of malice" should probably be specified as a qualifier of some sort, but I'm unsure what's best. I think all of the "date of" and "location of" can be done using significant event (P793). --SilentSpike (talk) 08:45, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Can definitely look to put forward a property proposal for accused of if this would be useful elsewhere too. We've been working with adding date and location information via the significant event (P793) property as suggested above for confessions etc. One thing to note is that we have items of data for each instance of Scottish witch trial with trial dates now added. However the database also includes case dates whereby the case denotes the whole period of investigation the accused witch is subjected to so it could cover a ten year period with one or more or multiple instances of witch trials in this period. Therefore we were wondering whether significant event (P793) could be used again with a new item created for witchcraft investigation/investigated for witchcraft and then dates added as qualifiers. OR whether we might need to create a new item for EACH case and then have those link to the trials.e.g. Case of Isobel Gowdie. Thoughts on this would be welcome. Stinglehammer (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Since so many of these properties involve dates, I should interject that I have emailed Prof. Julian Goodare, one of the editors of the database. The dates in the database use the calendar that was in effect at the time and place of the event described, which is nearly always the Julian calendar, since England and Scotland didn't convert to Gregorian until 14 September 1752. Also, Scotland considered the year to begin on 25 March until 1600, and England did the same until 1752, but the database always treats 1 January as the first day of the year. So dates from the database should be mapped to proleptic Julian calendar (Q1985786), not proleptic Gregorian calendar (Q1985727). Jc3s5h (talk) 14:04, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks Jc3s5h, Prof Julian Goodare is aware of the project and meeting with us next week to discuss the work to date with a view to quality assuring. The dates seem to have defaulted to Gregorian on import so we are making changes accordingly. We now have items of data for (1) accused witches in the database (biographical, geographical data added) and these are linked to (2) the witch trials they underwent and (3) the people associated with those witch trials (sherriffs, lairds, judges etc.). Returning to my other question, we also have dates of 'cases' which are defined as "The witchcraft case follows the series of events and specific accusations that emerged from a denunciation of a person accused for witchcraft that was pursued by either ecclesiastical and/or civil authorities. The case encompasses the beginning (i.e. initial denunciation or supposed denunciation), middle (i.e. the investigation, arrest and trial of an accused witch), and end (i.e. the way the case ended in dropped charges, a verdict of innocence, or execution) of a witchcraft accusation. The ‘case’ does not only refer to a trial or trial process but also includes references to cultural beliefs about witchcraft practice that were found in the documents. It should also be pointed out that ‘case’ refers to one individual who was accused of witchcraft. The term does not refer to a series of trials in a large witch-hunt." e.g. .e.g. Case of Isobel Gowdie - would it be appropriate to have this modelled as significant event (P793) and linked to a newly created item for 'investigated for witchcraft which would be an instance of inquiry (Q21004260) and/or a subclass of witch hunt (Q188494) as a way of including the dates of the case/period of investigation? We have case dates for almost all 3,219 accused witches but trial dates for only 600 so modelling case dates would be very useful for querying/visualising purposes. Thoughts welcome on this. Stinglehammer (talk) 15:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

New data type for EntitySchemas

Hello all,

Based on community request, a new data type is about to be created, in order to link to Schemas from statements. You can already have a look at it on Beta (a test property has been created). The value type is string, so you will enter for example "E1" as a value.

You can learn more in the ticket. This data type will be available on August 7th. Cheers, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 15:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, but why string? Wouldn't it have been wiser to make them entities just as items, properties, and lexemes?
  • One could search for EntitySchemas by label, instead of having to type the E-ID.
  • Use in WDQS would have been more comfortable.
  • It would create backlinks.
    • That would make it easier to validate all statements with this data type via the pagelinks table at any time. Now the value is apparently validated during input (i.e. needs to start with "E" and then followed by numbers; E-ID needs to exist). However, if the EntitySchema is deleted or merged, it will be difficult to update this in statements.
    • Even more in general if everything goes smoothly, it would be interesting to easily find items which link to an EntitySchema.
--MisterSynergy (talk) 15:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: With this datatype, it should be possible to unlock Wikidata:Property proposal/Shape Expression for class, that in turn will allow us to write human (Q5) : Shape Expression for class = E10
Presumably this will then add a line wd:Q5 wdt:Pxxx wd:E10 to WDQS (though @Lea Lacroix (WMDE): it would be good to confirm that this will indeed be the case).
You're right that, regarding backlinks, there does appear to be a problem -- eg https://wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/EntitySchema:E1 shows nothing, whereas it ought to show https://wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Property:P253078 as linking there. Jheald (talk) 19:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
In WDQS it will look like wd:Q5 wdt:Pxxx 'E10'. Those are strings, not IRIs, pretty much as with Commons category (P373). —MisterSynergy (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Well that would just be a complete pain. I have added comment phab:T214884#5394245 to the Phabricator thread, that the datatype is not ready to go if this is what would be the case.
EntitySchema-valued properties ought to work in exactly the same way as Lexeme-valued properties, as per eg this query: https://w.wiki/6pT Jheald (talk) 19:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello all,

Thanks for your quick feedback. It seems that we have indeed more things to discuss and to investigate here, in order to find more sustainable solutions. I don't have a precise date but since part of the team will be busy with Wikimania, it will be postponed at least to the end of August. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 07:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to read this. Some additional thoughts: if you make EntitySchemas entities rather than string, ...
  • ... they would come with a canonical URI (which we don't have yet, but ShEx validation needs this as well to reliably resolve relative URIs to absolute ones); see phab:T225778
  • ... their labels etc. could be incorporated in WDQS
  • ... the actual ShEx code could be linked in WDQS as well, e.g. wd:E10 foo:shex <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntitySchemaText/E10> (with foo:shex being some quickly invented placeholder here, as I am not sure which predicate one would really want to use). We do something similar with images which are not by themselves in WDQS, but there are links to image files at Commons via wdt:P18
--MisterSynergy (talk) 08:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

New gadget: related items

Wikidata is a strongly interlinked database with many items having ingoing and outgoing links. Unfortunately, the user interface does not display any ingoing links ('inverse properties'). For example, it does not display which notable people are or were member of Footlights (Q857679).

I've created a gadget which enhances the user interface by exactly this kind of information. You can activate it under Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets by setting a tick at relateditems. This will add you a new button to the bottom of each item with which you can load the incoming links.

The scope of service can be expanded by any user. Just add to a property page with item datatype a new statement inverse label item (P7087) linking the property to an item containg the inverse labels. --Pasleim (talk) 19:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Pasleim: very nice! Thank you for that! − Pintoch (talk) 08:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
That sounds an excellent idea! Many thanks. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC).
@Pasleim: I tried it on human (Q5) View with Reasonator View with SQID and it seems it takes a long… time. Is there any risk it will fail on an out of memory error or something like that ? What could be cool is a limit on the number of loaded statements and a link to the equivalent sparql query for more results. author  TomT0m / talk page 10:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. I will improve the performance of the query once I'm interface administrator. --Pasleim (talk) 15:49, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Pasleim: Thanks for turning this into a gadget. Does this work with statements on properties (or lexemes, etc.)? I tried to use this on inverse label item of (Q66205187) (which is, of course, now used in a inverse label item (P7087) statement on inverse label item (P7087)) and the inverse statement doesn't show up. Jc86035 (talk) 10:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
The gadget only works on item pages but it shows incoming links from items and properties. So if you go to anthem of (Q65933124) the gadget will show you inverse label item of (Q66205187)=anthem (P85). --Pasleim (talk) 15:49, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Move Q24003762 to Q1496690

Can someone redirect Q24003762 to Q1496690? Thanks. --Almorca (talk) 10:52, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Almorca, you can do it yourself: just have a look at Help:Merge. Best, Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC).
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Cleaning up the class tree of « Wiktionary linguistic edition »

Weird wiktionary class tree.png

It seems the superclass tree of Wiktionary language edition (Q22001389) View with Reasonator View with SQID is really wrong. Can someone help cleaning this up ?

A linguistic edition of Wiktionary should never became … an industry according to Wikidata, for example. A linguistic edition should not became an instance of Wiktionary, as wiktionary is a concrete project and an instance of a project should not become an instance of another one. It should be a part of the bigger project, not an instance of it.

@Jarekt: who found this thanks to an error in a template in the talk page.

Note : Query to find the class tree author  TomT0m / talk page 13:23, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Amongst the problems :
    • relationship between a mediawiki website and a mediawiki project. It seems to me a mediawiki project is something different than its numerical support, the website, hence I removed the claim that a mediawiki project is a website to assert that a mediawiki project has a website.

Q5155040

community project (Q5155040) is supposed to be

< community project (Q5155040) View with Reasonator View with SQID > of (P642) View with SQID < community >

. Don’t we need a better property to denote that a group of person runs/contributes to some project ?

Is a computer service a human action ?

@Moebeus:

Currently, a database or a computer service are subclasses of « human action ». Should we have two types or services, one for automated one and one for human driven one to prevent one ? Currently we have

< service (Q7406919) View with Reasonator View with SQID > subclass of (P279) View with SQID < human action (Q451967) View with Reasonator View with SQID >

and

< service on internet (Q1668024) View with Reasonator View with SQID > subclass of (P279) View with SQID < service (Q7406919) View with Reasonator View with SQID >

. This seems wrong. (@Adelsheim: who added this statement)

Difference between dataset and database

  • Currently database is a subclass of datasets … datasets are supposed to be collections of datas. Databases are also collection of datas. What’s the real difference ? These are actually the same concepts imho.

Tobias1984
Emw
Zuphilip
Danrok
Bene*
콩가루
TomT0m
DrSauron
Ruud Koot
Andreasburmeister
Ilya
Toto256
MichaelSchoenitzer
Metamorforme42
Pixeldomain
User:YULdigitalpreservation
Dipsode87
Pintoch
Daniel Mietchen
Jsamwrites
Tinker Bell
FabC
Jasc PL
putnik
Dhx1
Tris T7
Peb Aryan
lore.mazza004
Rc1959
Premeditated
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Informatics and

In any case in the class tree there seem to be a big confusion between the database engines that manages the databases and the collection of data themselves. Should be cleaned up.

Database and models

It seems that currently, databases are subclasses of models. Is this correct ? Note that a database as a model, the database schema, but the relationship is more like an instanciation of the model that a subclassification. On the other hand, a database models something in the real world.

author  TomT0m / talk page 16:04, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Redundancies : "A subclass of B subclass of C" and "A subclass of C"

shown by this query The "A subclass of C" statement is probably redundant in those cases, or an indication of a mess. author  TomT0m / talk page 09:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

"A subclass of B subclass of C subclass of D" and … "A subclass of D"
select ?class ?classLabel ?intermediaire ?intermediaireLabel ?intermediaire2 ?intermediaire2Label ?parent ?parentLabel  {
  ?class (^wdt:P279)* wd:Q22001389 ; 
         wdt:P279 ?parent .
  ?class wdt:P279 ?intermediaire . ?intermediaire wdt:P279 ?intermediaire2 . ?intermediaire2 wdt:P279 ?parent .
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en". }
}

Try it! author  TomT0m / talk page 09:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Zero-length value

Is it technically possible to set a zero-length value for an identifier statement? !!! (Q371) has the ID "" for Acharts.co artist ID (P7109) (link). Using just an underscore works as well, but it appears that their canonical database value is the empty string. This is probably because their website is sort of falling apart at the edges, but I think the empty string would still be more technically correct. Jc86035 (talk) 11:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

If you can't do it with the regular user interface you could try through the API (or maybe with Quickstatements)? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@ArthurPSmith: QuickStatements allows me to import the value and send it, but performing the action results in an error, so I don't think it's possible. Jc86035 (talk) 09:26, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
The interface just wraps around the API, just like QS... --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

What are some data cleanup methodologies

What could be the best technologies .  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2001:420:5441:1252:190e:26c6:6a1d:514b (talk • contribs) at 09:14, 7 August 2019‎ (UTC).

For manual work, Help:Merge and gadgets/tools, for semi-manual Help:QuickStatements. --SCIdude (talk) 09:39, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
In terms of which objects might need some cleanup there a lists with Constraint violations: Category:Constraint_violation_reports. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 10:14, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Sounds like a topic for nice help page. --- Jura 12:09, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
The answer depend on the type of cleaning you want to do: bad modeled items, duplicates, wrong data, outdated data,.... Then which steps of the cleaning do you want to perform: detection of the errors or correction of the errors ?
To correct something you first need to find the error. To find the error, you need a reference and a comparison tool. Snipre (talk) 13:31, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

itWikiCon 2019 - call for submissions

(sorry for crosslang crossposting) Hi, I would like to point out that the submissions are open for the sessions of the ItWikiCon 2019 that will take place in Rome from 15 to 17 November. The reference page is as usual the one of the proposals, in which you can either add ideas on what you would like to see in this edition, or make a proposal of a presentation/workshop/seminar/working group/etc. that you want to make, following the procedure through the inputbox or using directly the proposal model that we have prepared.

The deadline is 13 October 2019, the date from which the program committee will evaluate all proposals received, defining, in the days immediately following, the official program of ItWikiCon 2019.

For any clarification or suggestion please write in the proposal talk page or send an email to itwikiconroma@gmail.com and if you plan to participate, don't forget to sign in the participants page.

On behalf of the programme committee, I would like to thank all those who would like to contribute to making ItWikiCon 2019 rich and diversified--Ferdi2005 (Posta) 13:38, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Which websites uses information from Wikidata?

I've heard Quora (Q51711) were using information from Wikidata but i can't see anything on Quora (Q51711)'s website to suggest that. --Trade (talk) 16:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  • The delights of CC-0. They can take anything from Wikidata, up to and including reproducing every item on the site, and are under no obligation to acknowledge us.- Jmabel (talk) 16:17, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
  • There used to be a reference on manage pages like https://www.quora.com/topic/Neuroscience-1/manage that talked about links to Wikidata and it seems to me it's not there anymore. Maybe they removed the interlinking when they didn't get the links to their new languages? ChristianKl❫ 06:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Did you WMF/WMDE provide any support to this website? @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): --- Jura 10:07, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes I had a few discussions with them and I believe that because of that and other people's work they're actually one of the nicer consumers of our data. They wrote blog posts about their work. They fixed data issues directly on Wikidata. They encourage their users to directly edit Wikidata if there is a mistake. They show the Wikidata logo in a comparatively prominent place for such a large website as Andy said. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:57, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
      • @Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): Are they still encouraging users to directly edit Wikidata? I haven't found it anymore in the interface. ChristianKl❫ 20:51, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
        • Hmmmm you're right. They seem to have changed things. They do show the Wikidata connection at the top of the right sidebar of the manage pages for topics still. I'll see if I can find out more. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Item search: Please show thumbnails

Choosing an item: much better with thumbnails
  • Problem: It is hard to guess what item is the one I meant, especially when my locale (not English) has very few Wikidata labels and even less descriptions. Imagine the screenshot at the right with no descriptions nor thumbnails.
  • Solution: Display thumbnails based on each item's image (P18).

This could be used in the "Search Wikidata" field, and also in the edition dialogs, such as when selecting an item for instance of (P31).

Why is this important? Because people sometimes select the wrong item, generating much confusion.

Thanks! :-) Syced (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Good point - Salgo60 (talk) 13:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, (as shown) it's already happening in mobile view ..--- Jura 17:26, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree that images would be usefull When available I think the thumbnails should be based on icon (P2910) and image (P18) should be used as a fallback. ChristianKl❫ 14:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Would you like this to happen only for the search box in the top right corner of the page or also when selecting an Item to link to in a statement? --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 08:06, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
    • I'd say the search box is the more important, but once the technology is implemented it should be pretty easy to let users configure this, no? - Jmabel (talk) 15:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Heh it might actually be hard to prevent it since they share code ;-) But let's start with what you'd like and then see if/how we can make it possible. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:47, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Having it at both places would be valuable. Later one when statements can be created from Wikipedia that search interface likely should likely also have it. Item search as well as property search should have it. I'm not certain about lexemes. ChristianKl❫ 18:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
    • It would also be nice to display the images along with the description when hovering over an item. ChristianKl❫ 07:36, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

How a human becomes faultly an artificial entity

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per this query A human is a person, which is a individual (Q795052) which is a unit of analysis (Q7887142) View with Reasonator View with SQID which is a unit of analysis (Q7887142) which is a unit which is an abstract object which is a work which is a product which is an artificial entity.

There is definitely something wrong in subclassing unit with human. author  TomT0m / talk page 13:33, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I solved this by replacing a «subclass of» unit of analysis with an « instance of » claim. It seem more correct to say that a « unit of analysis » is a type of things that is taken to be measured in a scientific study than to say that Einstein is a unit of analysis. @Fractaler:. Or when metamodelling is useful … author  TomT0m / talk page 13:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Would it be better to break it at unit (Q2198779) and abstract object? Couldn't a unit be, say, a specific car? That is not an abstract object. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 16:40, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
I readded omnivore (Q164509) to regain the link to organism (Q7239) however this may have (arguably) introduced some additional noise. The reason for this seems to be that component (Q1310239) is a conflation between an "abstract piece of something" and a "type of manufactured good (Q22811462)". I'm not sure how the latter is intended to be used but maybe deep down we're all just type of manufactured good (Q22811462)s and I'm just too prideful to admit it. :P --- ElanHR (talk) 05:08, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Biological components shouldn't be type of manufactured good (Q22811462). I introduced the new nonbiological component (Q66310125) for things that are type of manufactured good (Q22811462). ChristianKl❫ 07:24, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Chaib aisa musico

Chaib aisa, es el apellido de un músico y compositor canario ha colaborado con importantes bandas compositores como sergio Pizarro Jack Bruce así con innumerables músicos.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.48.186.40 (talk • contribs) at 5 August 2019‎ 07:39 (UTC).

Probably better to write to spanish Wikidata:Café. --Infovarius (talk) 14:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Company Name imports from GRID

Hi Wikidata folks. At the moment, I believe Wikidata downloads the entire company name from the GRID Database for entities, e.g. https://grid.ac/institutes/grid.450423.4#, which may cause some confusion with international brands, institutes, etc. and also multiply entries unnecessarily, e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30294921 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55316619. Is there some way to exclude parenthetical information from the pulled GRID Company Name for future entity references, and does anyone have any ideas about fixing the multiples problem for existing content? Thank you.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 50.236.252.20 (talk • contribs).

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It appears that these two items were created by different means, and only the former comes (directly) from GRID. This question might be better addressed to the maintainer of @APSbot, @ArthurPSmith. Bovlb (talk) 00:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
It looks like it's been merged now. I'll look at leaving out the parenthetical country components of GRID names in the future - it's also a good idea to be a little more careful when creating new entities to match existing things - a simple search in the UI would have found the old entry in this case for example. ArthurPSmith (talk) 02:14, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Question regarding Module:Wikidata in Wikipedia

Hi, I have a question regarding some usage of the module, I hope someone can help me with this.

In the article id:Volgograd I'm trying to show the "instance of (P31)" of the geographical entity of "Volgograd (Q914)", but it shows several lines. The code that was used to invoke it was: {{#invoke:Wikidata |claim |formatting=table |property=P31 |rowformat=$0}}. How can I modify it so that it only shows the best statement (getBestStatements) of the property? Thanks. Bennylin (talk) 23:23, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I figured it out by adding "| list=firstrank ". Bennylin (talk) 00:14, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. --SilentSpike (talk) 10:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC)