Shortcut: WD:PP/WORK
Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
Property proposal: | Generic | Authority control | Person | Organization |
Creative work | Place | Sports | Sister projects | |
Transportation | Natural science | Computing | Lexeme |
See also[edit]
- Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending – properties which have been approved but which are on hold waiting for the appropriate datatype to be made available
- Wikidata:Properties for deletion – proposals for the deletion of properties
- Wikidata:External identifiers – statements to add when creating properties for external IDs
- Wikidata:Lexicographical data – information and discussion about lexicographic data on Wikidata
This page is for the proposal of new properties.
Before proposing a property
- Search if the property already exists.
- Search if the property has already been proposed.
- Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
- Select the right datatype for the property.
- Read Wikidata:Creating a property proposal for guidelines you should follow when proposing new property.
- Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below by editing the two templates at the top of the page to add proposal details.
Creating the property
- Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
- Creation can be done 1 week after the creation of the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
- See property creation policy.
On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2024/03. |
Cultural heritage[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Cultural heritage, Wikidata:WikiProject Intangible Cultural Heritage
- Other related projects: Category:Cultural heritage WikiProjects
museum-digital tag ID[edit]
Description | Numeric identifier for keywords used in the description of cultural heritage objects in Museum-Digital. |
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Data type | External identifier |
Allowed values | \d+ |
Example 1 | jewelry (Q161439) → 413 |
Example 2 | dedication (Q1898184) → 758 |
Example 3 | Universe (Q1) → 18703 |
Source | https://term.museum-digital.de |
Number of IDs in source | 100251 |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Formatter URL | https://term.museum-digital.de/md-de/tag/$1 |
Motivation[edit]
museum-digital (https://www.museum-digital.de/) is a increasingly popular platform for museums to document and present their collections. There are currently more than 680k objects from 900 museums in 6k collections distributed over several distinct (regional or thematic) instances. Most named entities are controlled by means of a series of vocabularies. One of them, covering place names, is referred to by museum-digital place ID (P9957). MD tags provides a curated list of keyword used in the descriptions of objects on Museum-Digital. Keywords are continuously reconciled with other relevant authority files. Many concepts, however, are very domain-specific, so that the museum-digital tag is the only authority file to cover these. This would make this property especially useful.
Awinkler3 (talk) 20:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Support sure, good to have more vocabularies linked together. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
National Historical Museums of Sweden object ID[edit]
Description | authority identification for an object in the collections of the National Historical Museums of Sweden |
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Data type | External identifier |
Allowed values | [0-9A-Z]{8}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{12} |
Example 1 | Streiff (Q10681657) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/A4B754D2-5CB6-4FA1-997A-970250E32044 |
Example 2 | Mosjömadonnan (Q10589526) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/7C505995-EBF5-4106-BBEE-17F52BB3EA83 |
Example 3 | Elizabeth Reliquary (Q26253636) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/8BA2743C-5065-438B-9FAA-D854606DB716 |
Source | https://samlingar.shm.se |
Planned use | Matching and creating items in the collection that are depicted on Wikimedia Commons |
Number of IDs in source | 1 300 000 |
Expected completeness | no label (Q21873886 (always incomplete)) |
Formatter URL | https://samlingar.shm.se/object/$1 |
See also | Nationalmuseum Sweden artwork ID (P2539) |
Single-value constraint | yes |
Distinct-values constraint | yes |
Motivation[edit]
Needed to be able to matching and creating items on Wikidata that are objects in the collection of NHM and that are depicted in images on Wikimedia Commons, for example. / LinneaKarlberg (talk) 12:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support LinneaKarlberg (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support Eva L Vedin (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support Elinor Rajka (talk) 19:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment @LinneaKarlberg:, @Eva L Vedin:, @Elinor Rajka:, @Azad Karimi: coordinating support votes with ones colleagues is not helpful, the property proposal process is in place for a reason. Abbe98 (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, we did not know. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Considering that National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) exists and that other properties from SHM are likely to be proposed in the future(places, events, heritage sites, ect) maybe there should only be one property? As far as I'm aware the UUIDs are unique across the various types and even if that wouldn't be the case one could include the type prefix in the id. Abbe98 (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: Sure, that would probably work. Do you have an example of another external identifier that includes several different types so I can check how it works? Is it possible then to change the name and details of P9495? LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Europeana entity (P7704) would be one example. I would imagine migrating/generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) by: 1. updating the formatter URL 2. adding the agent prefix to existing values 3. updating the label/description of the property Abbe98 (talk) 10:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: Sure, that would probably work. Do you have an example of another external identifier that includes several different types so I can check how it works? Is it possible then to change the name and details of P9495? LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Per the discussion above, I would suggest generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) rather than creating a new property for each type. I cave created a section on the discussion page. Abbe98 (talk) 10:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Abbe98 , It would then be necessary to differentiate "agents" from "object". How would you like to do? (incorporate it into the identifier as a general property? or use an external URL formatter?) We can also consider that each property will be dedicated to the type (less errors with dedicated constraints). It would be necessary to recontact those who have already voted, as well as the voters of the other property, to find out if your idea appeals to them, but with more information. I don't see a URL leading directly to the correct page without using the type (with only the UUID). Example:
type:UUID
. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 03:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)- Hi! I would imagine we would use one of the seven possible prefixes like agent/<UUID> and object/<UUID>. We could also use a generic resolver but there isn't an official one so I think such a solution is less optimal. Abbe98 (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: @Eihel: @LinneaKarlberg: We just had a discussion about this with the Wikidata team at the National Historical Museums of Sweden. Our conclusion is that this property should not be created, and Abbe98's solution (using prefixes) is better. This will include us (WMSE is supporting the museum in their Wikidata work) generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and removing
/person/
from the formatter URL and then adding the person prefix to all the existing uses of the property. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)- @Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) I have pinged all the people who voted on National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495). I think we should leave it over the weekend at least but then if there are no one oposing this I can migrate it early next week. Abbe98 (talk) 12:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- We at NHM are all on board with this approach instead of several Properties. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 08:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds like an excellent idea. Many thanks Abbe98 . /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone, I've started re-defining National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and will migrate the existing items using it. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds like an excellent idea. Many thanks Abbe98 . /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- We at NHM are all on board with this approach instead of several Properties. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 08:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) I have pinged all the people who voted on National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495). I think we should leave it over the weekend at least but then if there are no one oposing this I can migrate it early next week. Abbe98 (talk) 12:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: @Eihel: @LinneaKarlberg: We just had a discussion about this with the Wikidata team at the National Historical Museums of Sweden. Our conclusion is that this property should not be created, and Abbe98's solution (using prefixes) is better. This will include us (WMSE is supporting the museum in their Wikidata work) generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and removing
- Hi! I would imagine we would use one of the seven possible prefixes like agent/<UUID> and object/<UUID>. We could also use a generic resolver but there isn't an official one so I think such a solution is less optimal. Abbe98 (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Abbe98 , It would then be necessary to differentiate "agents" from "object". How would you like to do? (incorporate it into the identifier as a general property? or use an external URL formatter?) We can also consider that each property will be dedicated to the type (less errors with dedicated constraints). It would be necessary to recontact those who have already voted, as well as the voters of the other property, to find out if your idea appeals to them, but with more information. I don't see a URL leading directly to the correct page without using the type (with only the UUID). Example:
National Archives of Sweden persistent identifier[edit]
Description | persistent identifier for objects in the National Archives of Sweden main archival database |
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Represents | National Archives of Sweden (Q1724971) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | archival resource (Q106815942), document (Q49848), work (Q386724) |
Allowed values | Base62-encoded UUID |
Example 1 | No 2. Elbing. (Q111517198) → eYHMeAFOm4sNVmxKK3M5L2 |
Example 2 | No 3. Elbing (Q111517379) → 0zDW3BS0Gw9Haap2yUVspE |
Example 3 | No 4. Danzigk wir es Eltere und newer werck (Q111519390) → zmQwWNi2ag9DQGJxnSVmD0 |
Implied notability | Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320) |
Formatter URL | https://sok.riksarkivet.se/arkiv/$1 |
See also | Swedish National Archive reference code (P5324) |
Applicable "stated in"-value | National Archives of Sweden (Q117288060) |
Single-value constraint | yes |
Distinct-values constraint | yes |
Motivation[edit]
Wikidata-objekt med denna egenskapen kan också ha Nationell Arkivdatabas Referenskod (P5324), men den persistenta identifieraren är enklare att använda för att skapa webbsides-URLer och länkad data-URIer. Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 13:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Comment Hi - could you fix your examples to look more like other property proposals (should look like: item → id) ? Also it would be useful to have formatter URL and some of the other template parameters filled out if possible. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback! This is my first property proposal so I am very unsure of how to do things. I have reformatted the examples, added URL format and a see also reference. Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Ok, looks good to me now! ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Jneubert (talk) 05:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment are the above examples also the canonical URIs? Considering that the RA has quite a lot of identifiers, could there be a less generic name/description? "primary database" doesn't say much to the average user. Abbe98 (talk) 21:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Notified participants of WikiProject Sweden —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
It has been created as Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) se discussion - Salgo60 (talk) 07:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Not the same as I understand. This proposal is for objects in archives (maybe even archives or series, though I struggle to come up with a case where they would have a wikidata item). The property you link is for an agent (Swedish: arkivbildare). Belteshassar (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Belteshassar, Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige), Abbe98: Dont we make it more complex than needed. Formatter url is the same
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/agent/$1
- My suggestion change the name on Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) to be both... I have used (maybe wrongly) both for the "person agent" and the "archive agent"
- 1) List examples nota bene August Strindberg seems to have more person identifiers at the National Archive looks like something that needs to be cleaned at "the National Archive"...
- Having 2 different properties is like if someone should connect with Wikidata and add new properties for every type of instance instance of (P31) Wikidata has... ?
- Also Swedish National Archive reference code (P5324) is used for both persons and archives
- - Salgo60 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment, I think this would be useful, perhaps also on commons. I’m not sure how many entries in NAD reference individual works, as I understand the purpose of the proposal, and to what degree those works are notable for Wikidata. Perhaps the creator of the proposal could enlighten me. Belteshassar (talk) 09:23, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- pushed the question also to github.com/Riksarkivet/dataplattform - Salgo60 (talk) 13:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment read the thoughts over at the National Archive - Salgo60 (talk) 03:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Writing as the original author of this propopsal, I would like to put this on hold for the moment. I realize that this should probably be the RDF URI rather than just the PID. I have to think this over and if I do end up with wanting the RDF URI, there are issues to clear with the format of this. - Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 11:26, 28 Mars 2023 (UTC)
- FYI: Nils is working at the Swedish National Archives with this - Salgo60 (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
identifiant Sculpturo[edit]
Data type | External identifier |
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Domain | item |
Allowed values | sculpture (Q860861), archaeological artifact (Q220659) |
Example 1 | Statue of Augustus (Arles) (Q62395600)→https://sculpturo.huma-num.fr/base/corpus/NEsp/3 https://sculpturo.huma-num.fr/base/corpus/RBR/15 |
Example 2 | Arles bust (Q542996)→https://sculpturo.huma-num.fr/base/corpus/NEsp/40 |
Example 3 | Bust of Marcus Aurelius Ra 61 b (Q24266956)→https://sculpturo.huma-num.fr/base/corpus/RBR/31 https://sculpturo.huma-num.fr/base/corpus/NEsp/30 |
Source | https://sculpturo.huma-num.fr/base/ |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
Formatter URL | https://sculpturo.huma-num.fr/base/$1 |
Motivation[edit]
This database, administered by the CNRS (French National Centre for Scientific Research), includes older reference works on Roman sculpture, traditionally published in paper format: NEsp (Nouvel Espérandieu) RBR (Recueil des Bas-Reliefs) with recent updates. Christelle Molinié (talk) 15:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- @Christelle Molinié: Can you fix your examples? The left hand side of each relation should be a wikidata item. And a third example would be good. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @ArthurPSmith: I added the WD item and a third exemple. Sorry for this lack of precision.--Christelle Molinié (talk) 21:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Thanks, looks good to me now. ArthurPSmith (talk) 12:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Cinematography[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies
- Other relevant projects: Category:Movie WikiProjects
creative director[edit]
Description | person who makes high-level creative decisions, oversees the creation of creative assets such as adverts, products, events or logos and guides and directs the creative people who create the end result |
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Represents | creative director (Q667982) |
Data type | Item |
Template parameter | "creative_director" in en:Template:Infobox television |
Domain | work (Q386724) |
Allowed values | human (Q5) |
Example 1 | Gravity Falls (Q550555)→Mike Rianda (Q104835180) |
Example 2 | Hey Arnold! (Q832054)→Tuck Tucker (Q3541837) |
Example 3 | Teen Wolf (Q607960)→Chris Cuddington (Q5106318) |
See also | director (P57), art director (P3174), production designer (P2554) |
Wikidata project | WikiProject Film (Q8485793), WikiProject Video games (Q8485882) |
Motivation[edit]
A widely used position within the television production, graphic design, film, music, video game, fashion, advertising, media, or entertainment industries which now has no exact equivalent among properties. Solidest (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Linked uses on enwiki: [1]. Solidest (talk) 16:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Support, an important property for cinematography.--Arbnos (talk) 13:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Speaking only for video games − the roles are I think a bit fuzzier. Games are stated to have directors (« BGE was directed by Ancel ») and creative directors (« Désilets was creative director on PoP:SoT »), but I think it’s rare that there is both at the same time. So far the practice, I think, was to cover both with P57, and there are some example of using object has role (P3831) to clarify. [1] Jean-Fred (talk) 08:36, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- (We've already talked about this in the video game project chat, but it will be useful to summarise it here too:) the "director" position is a tricky one regarding video games. When credits have "creative director" and "game director" at the same time, then I suppose it would mean that "game director" is rather a production lead position (cinema's en:unit production manager equivalent), than everything-at-once position or unspecified team leader as it usually is. Using two roles at the same time is not as common, but it still happens in some projects: 1, 2, 3, 4. MobyGames, in their documentation, describe "Game Director" within Production section next to "Project Leader/Manager" and "Production Manager", while "Creative Director" within Design positions among "Created by" and "Original Concept/Idea". I find such categorisation generally correct (while the current use of the Game Director/Team Lead position is not quite accurate as a shared position with a film/cinema director in this sense in my opinion). This looks handy as a general approach in an attempt to systematise things, but is unlikely to have 100% compliance, as it is likely that the responsibilities of the game director position vary from project to project and from person to person. It probably wouldn't be unreasonable to create a separate property for this in my opinion. As for "creative director", it seems to me that this is a much more specific position than "game director", and it would be fine if it would be specified in some video games instead of "director" if that's how it's listed in the credits. The enwiki infobox documentation currently specifies that "director" and "creative director" share the same parameter: en:Template:Infobox video game#Syntax guide – сombining two entries for the purpose of compactness is the prerogative of Wikipedia, and on Wikidata it is better to be precise with the data. Solidest (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- I just landed (by accident) on the Référentiel des métiers du Jeu Vidéo (="reference guide for Video Game professions") published by the French industry trade union Q3508526. The headlines are mostly in English, with French aliases in each section. It lists 6 "XYZ director" positions: “Creative director” and “game director” (under Design), “Audio director” and “Art director” (under Image/Sound), “Technical director” (under Technology), “Marketing director” (under Support). “Game director” is aliased to the French “Réalisateur”, which is what is also used for a (movie) director.
- (Also, “Executive producer” is aliased to “directeur de production, directeur opérationnel, directeur du studio”)
- So, given this new source which clarified things a lot (in my head at least), I would Support this property.
- P.S. If you Ctrl-F through the document, more "director" pop-up:
- headline: “in game cutscenes director” (=réalisateur de cinématiques), “analytics director”, “business development director”,
- in the "n+1" sections: directeur monétisation, UX director
- Jean-Fred (talk) 09:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- (We've already talked about this in the video game project chat, but it will be useful to summarise it here too:) the "director" position is a tricky one regarding video games. When credits have "creative director" and "game director" at the same time, then I suppose it would mean that "game director" is rather a production lead position (cinema's en:unit production manager equivalent), than everything-at-once position or unspecified team leader as it usually is. Using two roles at the same time is not as common, but it still happens in some projects: 1, 2, 3, 4. MobyGames, in their documentation, describe "Game Director" within Production section next to "Project Leader/Manager" and "Production Manager", while "Creative Director" within Design positions among "Created by" and "Original Concept/Idea". I find such categorisation generally correct (while the current use of the Game Director/Team Lead position is not quite accurate as a shared position with a film/cinema director in this sense in my opinion). This looks handy as a general approach in an attempt to systematise things, but is unlikely to have 100% compliance, as it is likely that the responsibilities of the game director position vary from project to project and from person to person. It probably wouldn't be unreasonable to create a separate property for this in my opinion. As for "creative director", it seems to me that this is a much more specific position than "game director", and it would be fine if it would be specified in some video games instead of "director" if that's how it's listed in the credits. The enwiki infobox documentation currently specifies that "director" and "creative director" share the same parameter: en:Template:Infobox video game#Syntax guide – сombining two entries for the purpose of compactness is the prerogative of Wikipedia, and on Wikidata it is better to be precise with the data. Solidest (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Queries[edit]
[1]
SELECT ?video_game ?video_gameLabel ?director ?directorLabel ?qualifierproperty ?qualifierpropertyLabel ?directorqualifier ?directorqualifierLabel WHERE {
SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
?video_game (wdt:P31/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q7889;
p:P57 ?directorStatement.
?directorStatement ps:P57 ?director;
?qualifier ?directorqualifier.
?qualifierproperty wikibase:qualifier ?qualifier.
}
Academy Awards International Submissions[edit]
Description | Proposing a better way to capture and catalog international submissions to the Academy Awards. |
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Data type | Item |
Domain | film (Q11424) |
Example 1 | The Teacher's Lounge (Q116251270)country (P17)Germany (Q183) |
Example 2 | Kwaidan (Q133488)country (P17)Japan (Q17) |
Example 3 | Amira (Q108907348)country (P17)Jordan (Q810) |
Planned use | tracking international submissions |
Motivation[edit]
Countries can submit one film annually to the Academy Awards for consideration. Right now, the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences (AMPAS) does not keep an external database of these records other than producing a list of the final submissions. The most comprehensive listing of these submissions is maintained on the English Wikipedia articles related to the submissions.
This proposal creates a space to capture and maintain these submissions in Wikidata under the film. These submissions are an important way of understanding and recognizing international film and adding them to WikiData would contribute to a rich and queryable dataset.
Based on the English Wikipedia articles, there have been 2,883 international submissions to the Academy Awards. Example table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submissions_to_the_83rd_Academy_Awards_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film
Once created, SPARQL queries could generate the tables used to display International Submissions and their statuses. This would create a better way to query and track international submissions and perform data analysis on the award process.
Four proposed property values:
- Submission Ceremony: AMPAS Ceremony of Submission
- Submission Country: Country submitting the film (countries can only submit 1 film and can't submit together, so this can differ from the country/countries involved in production)
- Submission Title: Title used in the submission (AMPAS generally asks for an English title)
- Submission Status: Status of the submission
Current Submission Statuses (a nomination can only be in 1 of these statuses at any given time)
- Won Academy Award
- Nominated
- Nominated and Disqualified
- Shortlisted
- Not Nominated
- Disqualified
- Not on Final List (country reports submitting the film, but AMPAS didn't include it on the final submissions)
- Withdrawn
- To Be Determined (used until the final submission list is made public)
Note 1: these statuses are in alignment with the AMPAS International Submission process and the Academy Award for Best International Feature Film. Separate from this process, an international film can be considered for other awards.
Note 2: these statuses are also in alignment with prior iterations of the award and the related submission process, like Best Foreign Film (prior to 2020).
Discussion[edit]
- WikiProject Movies has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. --Jake (talk) 17:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Television[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies
Anime and manga[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Anime and Manga
Music[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Music
- Other relevant projects: Category:Music WikiProjects
Tekstowo.pl artist ID[edit]
Description | identifier for an artist on Tekstowo.pl site |
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Represents | no label (Q113488185) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | human (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295) |
Allowed values | [1-9]\d{0,8} |
Example 1 | Basshunter (Q383541) → basshunter |
Example 2 | Stromae (Q313453) → stromae |
Example 3 | Alan Walker (Q21808729) → alan_walker |
Example 4 | Sean Paul (Q200577) → sean_paul |
Example 5 | Arash (Q236748) → arash |
Source | https://www.tekstowo.pl |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Planned use | putting value to artists available on the Tekstowo.pl site |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Formatter URL | https://www.tekstowo.pl/piosenki_artysty,$1 |
Motivation[edit]
Property for artists included in Tekstowo.pl. Eurohunter (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Not done no support for creation of this property --DannyS712 (talk) 01:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)- Reopened, Support, Notified participants of WikiProject Poland —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support -- a moderately known lyrics website IMO. Kpjas (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- Honest question. How many of these lyric databases does Wikidata actually need? From my experience the communities of these pretty much just copies the lyrics from each other Trade (talk) 22:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Kpjas, Eurohunter:, could you please clarify the comments above. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 06:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony I'm not very into music in the web sphere. I could easily give up on Tekstowo.pl but not sure what other ppl think. Is it really relevant in Wikidata context I don't know. Kpjas (talk) 07:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Trade:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like we've gotten enough lyrics sites at this point. Unless there is something special about this particular one Trade (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Trade: Wikidata is not a limited database in any way, so there is nothing like there is enough or there is not enough of something. Wikidata is not some commercial or government offer, which is allowed only for some groups dependent on age or sex etc. Eurohunter (talk) 09:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like we've gotten enough lyrics sites at this point. Unless there is something special about this particular one Trade (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Trade:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony I'm not very into music in the web sphere. I could easily give up on Tekstowo.pl but not sure what other ppl think. Is it really relevant in Wikidata context I don't know. Kpjas (talk) 07:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Kpjas, Eurohunter:, could you please clarify the comments above. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 06:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony: "How many of these lyric databases does Wikidata actually need" - I think it's missed point, as I said above. There is never enough. The world is developing, so there will be more databases all over the world. Eurohunter (talk) 09:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Eurohunter:, It doesn't mean that we should not follow the notability policy! Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 06:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Honest question. How many of these lyric databases does Wikidata actually need? From my experience the communities of these pretty much just copies the lyrics from each other Trade (talk) 22:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Video game[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Video games
- Other relevant projects: Category:Video game WikiProjects
IsThereAnyDeal ID[edit]
Description | identifier for a video game, downloadable content or video game bundle on IsThereAnyDeal |
---|---|
Represents | IsThereAnyDeal (Q125180978) |
Data type | External identifier |
Example 1 | Helldivers 2 (Q118645527)→helldivers-2 |
Example 2 | Valve Complete Pack (Q56695783)→valve-complete-pack |
Example 3 | Postal 2: Paradise Lost (Q59312244)→postal-2-paradise-lost |
Source | https://isthereanydeal.com/deals/ |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Formatter URL | https://isthereanydeal.com/game/$1/info/ |
Wikidata project | WikiProject Video games (Q8485882) |
Motivation[edit]
IsThereAnyDeal (Q125180978) is an online video game price comparison site stretching across 30 different stores. The stores from the entries can be scraped from the site allowing us to populate items with various of identifiers. Additionally, all applicable entries features a Steam application ID (P1733) and PCGamingWiki ID (P6337) link in the bottom right corner that can be used to populate the identifier through batches
Anyone who can figure out an permanent numeric ID to use are welcome to try so--Trade (talk) 02:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Notified participants of WikiProject Video games--Trade (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 03:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support There seems to be some sort of UUID format for IDs, but I could never figure out a formatter URL. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 04:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
KupiGolos game ID[edit]
Motivation[edit]
KupiGolos (Q125199075) is a Russian-language database of voice actors, which will be useful as an external id to keep track of video games with Russian dubbing. On Wikidata we have Behind The Voice Actors video game ID (P4965), Il mondo dei doppiatori ID (P5099), and the recently created DoblajeVideojuegos game ID (P12290), and we clearly lack such databases, especially Russian-language ones, and in general, I think, we have never had them. As soon as the property is approved, I plan to first match the identifiers via OpenRefine (99% matched already) and then create a Mix'n'Match catalog, if of course the tool starts working properly again. Unfortunately it stopped working and does not allow to update or upload catalogs correctly yet, so we will have to wait a bit. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Notified participants of WikiProject Video games Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Russia Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 04:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Touhou Wiki ID[edit]
Description | identifier for an subject in the Touhou Wiki |
---|---|
Represents | Touhou Wiki (Q125200460) |
Data type | External identifier |
Example 1 | Touhou Project (Q907907)→Touhou_Project |
Example 2 | Touhou Reiiden ~ Highly Responsive to Prayers (Q5367731)→Highly_Responsive_to_Prayers |
Example 3 | NEC PC-9800 series (Q183505)→PC-98 |
Example 4 | Team Shanghai Alice (Q1377647)→Team_Shanghai_Alice |
Example 5 | ZUN (Q9088630)→ZUN |
Example 6 | Reimu Hakurei (Q851352)→Reimu_Hakurei |
Example 7 | Gensokyo (Q5365548)→Gensokyo |
Source | https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=0&hideredirects=1 |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Number of IDs in source | 29,547 |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Formatter URL | https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/$1 |
Wikidata project | WikiProject Video games (Q8485882) |
Motivation[edit]
Comprehensive MediaWiki encyclopedia of the Touhou doujinshi series--Trade (talk) 04:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
TUESPWiki ID[edit]
Motivation[edit]
Comprehensive MediaWiki encyclopedia of the Elder Scrolls video game series--Trade (talk) 04:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Support for sure. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 05:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Literature[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Books
- Other relevant projects: Category:Book WikiProjects
Volume title[edit]
Description | published name of a volume, that is part of a multivolume edition |
---|---|
Represents | title (Q783521) |
Data type | Monolingual text |
Domain | volume (Q1238720) |
Example 1 | United Nations peacekeeping in the Congo: 1960-1964; an analysis of political, executive and military control. Volume 1. Summary and conclusions (Q115926177)volume titleSummary and conclusions |
Example 2 | Orthodox Theological Encyclopedia. Volume 2, 1901 (Q43197182)volume titleАрхеология — Бюхнер |
Example 3 | Red Data Book of Russia, volume "Animals" (2nd edition) (Q115189432)volume titleЖивотные |
Planned use | Fix items that have volume title in the title (P1476) property to make them usable in Cite Q and similar templates |
See also | title (P1476), volume (P478) |
Wikidata project | WikiProject Books (Q8487081) |
Motivation[edit]
Cite Q and similar templates expect that title (P1476) property would be the name of multivolume edition. Although many multivolume works doesn't have volume names and have only volume numbers, so volume name in such cases would contain the same name as the multivolume work name. Storing volume title in the title (P1476) property makes confusion with items that have multivolume title in the title (P1476) property.
Discussion[edit]
Would not subtitle (P1680) work for this? Solidest (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- No. It is related to the title (P1476) property and must be used in the same context. See United Nations peacekeeping in the Congo: 1960-1964; an analysis of political, executive and military control. Volume 1. Summary and conclusions (Q115926177), for example. And also see comparison of common patterns: Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books#Volume title. D6194c-1cc (talk) 09:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Comment not in favour Typically you should be citing the parent work, and citing a volume number as a qualifier, as has been done for thousands of works. Works perfectly well for "cite Q". Citing an item for a specific volume seems unnecessary. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- We do have subject named as (P1810) which could be used, and then train "cite Q" to read that if present, or pushed. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- This property might be misleading. Is it whole work name or just volume name? D6194c-1cc (talk) 07:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Also, I found another problem. Issues have titles, too, and their structure is the same as that for volumes. So I probably will use object named as (P1932) for the volume/issue number and subject named as (P1810) for the volume/issue title. But they can be only used as qualifiers. So it's rather temporary solution, since those properties can be used only as qualifiers. D6194c-1cc (talk) 07:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Volume has specific google books id, URL (if it is in open access), ISBN, pages count and other properties that can be used by citing template. Citing whole multivolume edition is not always convenient. Although Red Data Book of Russia, volume "Animals" (2nd edition) (Q115189432) is an example of book that doesn't have multivolume edition. This volume published independently from other one and have no volume number. D6194c-1cc (talk) 07:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Also, similar discussion in en:Zotero forum: [2]. D6194c-1cc (talk) 09:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Support, an important property for literature.--Arbnos (talk) 13:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment before going forward or not with this property I'd very much like that the modelling of multi-volumes books be standardized in Wikidata. To my knowledge it isn't, or at least Wikidata:WikiProject_Books doesn't say anything about it and the searching of archived discussions within the projet didn't yield anything definitive. Currently editions are either single Qids with number of parts of this work (P2635) stating the number of volume or numerous Qid refering (or not) to each other and to the parent work. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 12:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Hindawi Foundation book ID[edit]
Description | A property for IDs of books published by Hindawi Foundation |
---|---|
Data type | External identifier |
Example 1 | al-Rūm fī siyāsatihim wa-ḥaḍāratihim wa-dīnihim wa-thaqāfatihim wa-ṣalātihim bi-al-ʻArab (Hindawi, 2018) (Q113298440) -> 46083685 |
Example 2 | Q115962634 -> 86048474 |
Example 3 | Makhṭūṭāt al-Baḥr al-Mayyit wa-Jamāʻat Qumrān (Hindawi, 2021) (Q113354665) -> 85064627 |
Source | https://www.hindawi.org/ |
Formatter URL | https://www.hindawi.org/books/$1 |
Wikidata project | Hindawi Foundation (Q20397014) |
Motivation[edit]
To use in entries of books published by Hindawi Foundation --MSMST1543 (talk) 11:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Oppose The books published by Hindawi have there ISBN. ISBN is more useful and global book ID. I think if enough to identify Hindawi books. No need to store every internal publisher database ID.--حبيشان (talk) 13:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I doubt ISBNs are more useful. Hindawi books are available for free on its website. MSMST1543 (talk) 07:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- @حبيشان:, would you like to change your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 13:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, No, As this query there are in wikidata 13605 publishers have websites so in this way wikidata will add 13605 properties like this. if some publishers offer book freely they may use full work available at URL (P953). I am the maintainer of module Cite Q in arwiki the module can't process 13605 properties to make links to book content but it uses full work available at URL (P953) perfectly. حبيشان (talk) 14:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- @حبيشان I don't understand, why you need to use this type of external identifiers in Cite Q? I think that these things are independent. Citation is based on ids like ISBN only. Skim (talk) 22:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Skim: It is good in Citation linking to book content if the book is online, proposal creator and other users think using external-id is good for linking. But full work available at URL (P953) is enough for linking.--حبيشان (talk) 11:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that you need to use full work available at URL (P953). Yes, that is fine to fill it. But why do you talk about this new external identifier in case of Cite Q? This is not related. Skim (talk) 20:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Skim: It is good in Citation linking to book content if the book is online, proposal creator and other users think using external-id is good for linking. But full work available at URL (P953) is enough for linking.--حبيشان (talk) 11:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @حبيشان I don't understand, why you need to use this type of external identifiers in Cite Q? I think that these things are independent. Citation is based on ids like ISBN only. Skim (talk) 22:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ZI Jony, No, As this query there are in wikidata 13605 publishers have websites so in this way wikidata will add 13605 properties like this. if some publishers offer book freely they may use full work available at URL (P953). I am the maintainer of module Cite Q in arwiki the module can't process 13605 properties to make links to book content but it uses full work available at URL (P953) perfectly. حبيشان (talk) 14:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- @حبيشان:, would you like to change your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 13:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- I doubt ISBNs are more useful. Hindawi books are available for free on its website. MSMST1543 (talk) 07:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support we have many similar ID's for online sources for musical works, I don't see why this wouldn't be useful. And ISBN is not linkable generally at all. ArthurPSmith (talk) 10:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
az.lib.ru author ID[edit]
Represents | lib.ru (Q2371298) |
---|---|
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | human (Q5) |
Allowed values | ^/[a-z]{1,2}/[a-z_]+$ |
Example 1 | Leo Tolstoy (Q7243) → t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich |
Example 2 | William Shakespeare (Q692) → s/shekspir_w |
Example 3 | Konstantin Abaza (Q4054207) → a/abaza_k_k |
Source | http://az.lib.ru/a/ |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Planned use | I will assign thousands of IDs |
Number of IDs in source | 6000 |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
Formatter URL | http://az.lib.ru/$1 |
Robot and gadget jobs | probably not necessary |
See also | Lib.ru author ID (P10362) |
Applicable "stated in"-value | lib.ru (Q2371298) |
Single-value constraint | yes |
Distinct-values constraint | yes |
Wikidata project | Wikidata:WikiProject Russia, Wikidata:WikiProject Books |
Motivation[edit]
Lib.ru is an oldest Russian internet-library, was founded November 1, 1994. In subdomain az.lib.ru there are 74k written works of 6000 authors. It is the most comprehensive source of full-text written works in Russian language. For foreign authors translations are published. Copyrighted materials usually are not present. Having these ids in Wikidata will allow to jump from a person to his works in a single click.
It is different from Lib.ru author ID (P10362) in two ways - it has more materials (compare Bulgakov and Bulgakov) and for every person it provides some additional information - specifically, birth/death dates, which will be used to quickly match thousands of authors to their Qids. Also az.lib.ru has a focus on people whose write language is Russian.
Cons: there are some other prefixes at lib.ru: http://lit.lib.ru/ http://fan.lib.ru/ http://det.lib.ru/ http://music.lib.ru/ http://world.lib.ru/ . Generally it is not an issue since these sub portals exist for people to publish their own works and are not of great interest. Podbrushkin (talk) 14:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Video[edit]
Image[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts
Podcast[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Podcasts
Theatre[edit]
Fiction[edit]
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Fictional universes, Wikidata:WikiProject Narration
- For projects about specific universes, see: Category:Fiction WikiProjects
canon status[edit]
Motivation[edit]
This would open up more far possibilies when modeling fictional entities and works both as a statement but also as a qualifier
We might or might not want to have a mandatory applies to work (P10663) qualifier but i'll leave that decision up to the community. Same applies to unconfirmed canon (Q124162270) and disputed canon (Q124162276) being allowed values--Trade (talk) 03:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- @Valentina.Anitnelav:--Trade (talk) 03:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Notified participants of WikiProject Narration --Trade (talk) 03:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Notified participants of WikiProject Fictional universes--Trade (talk) 03:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support extracanonically and unconditionally save one: that the label and description together clarify that this property isn't for religious texts or other works not attempting to serve as fiction (such as [un]authorised memoirs). Arlo Barnes (talk) 05:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why not also use it for religious texts?– Shisma (talk) 13:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Because it's a different kind of canonicity. One relates a work to its status within a fictional universe (Q559618), the other within a doctrine (Q117850). A fictional work can have an unambiguous 'authority' such as a publisher, whereas religious texts are more often contested. Arlo Barnes (talk) 15:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with this limitation. So long as the work specifies what canon it is relating to I don't see why this property should be exclusive to works of fiction. For example, Gospel of Peter (Q762054) could set this property to non-canon (Q99841874) with a qualifier that the canon status applies to Catholic Bible (Q591016). This could be valuable in instances such as the Book of Mormon (Q459842) only being canon in the standard works (Q3847515), but not canon in other Christian canons such as Catholic Bible (Q591016). Keplersj (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support, with the suggested exception of not using it for religious texts. This is a different usage. Lijil (talk) 09:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with this limitation. So long as the work specifies what canon it is relating to I don't see why this property should be exclusive to works of fiction. For example, Gospel of Peter (Q762054) could set this property to non-canon (Q99841874) with a qualifier that the canon status applies to Catholic Bible (Q591016). This could be valuable in instances such as the Book of Mormon (Q459842) only being canon in the standard works (Q3847515), but not canon in other Christian canons such as Catholic Bible (Q591016). Keplersj (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Because it's a different kind of canonicity. One relates a work to its status within a fictional universe (Q559618), the other within a doctrine (Q117850). A fictional work can have an unambiguous 'authority' such as a publisher, whereas religious texts are more often contested. Arlo Barnes (talk) 15:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done Trade (talk) 19:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why not also use it for religious texts?– Shisma (talk) 13:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support. --Wolverène (talk) 10:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't know. Can't a work be part of multiple canons? there are things that exist in mulitple universes. That's why I consered a canon as a seperate entity. For instance:
- All star trek episodes and films are part of Star Trek canon (Q3500963)
- All star trek episodes and films and every licensed Star Trek work (novel, video game, comic…) is part of the informal Beta canon (Q123436716)
- I'm not an expert on this but there is also Star Fleet Universe (Q7600715) in which I think only Star Trek: The Original Series (Q1077) and Star Trek: The Animated Series (Q20922) are canon for licensing reasons
- so canonicity doesn't seem to be a boolian value–Shisma (talk) 12:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing to stop a work from having multiple canons Trade (talk) 19:07, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This would mean adding a "canon: yes" statement to pretty much every existing item for a canonical subject in a work, which is needless bloat IMO. Also, as mentioned above, there's the matter of things existing in multiple canons. One of the proposed examples is for Star Wars, which has its regular canon and also "Legends". I think the idea behind this is good but there are just a lot of problems I can see in trying to implement it in practice. OmegaFallon (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Is the Star Wars example wrong?--Trade (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Trade, Arlo Barnes, Keplersj, Wolverène: I created an alternative proposal under Wikidata:Property proposal/is part of canon –Shisma (talk) 09:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Support. Preferring this one over Shisma's alternate for reasons stated in there. -- Kurzov (talk) 17:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose I’m not 100% sure (as I would need to think way more about this), but my gut feeling is that canonicity is something that is inherently contextual − which canon are we talking about? «Official StarWars» vs « Legends » come to mind − and thus needs to live as a qualifier on something, not as a main statement. Would it then work to have it qualify takes place in fictional universe (P1434)? or media franchise (P8345)? Or is canon something orthogonal to both the universe and the franchise, and needs a separate proposal entirely (Perhaps Shisma’s alternative proposal aligns better with my thoughts) Jean-Fred (talk) 11:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I’m also not sure what’s the relationship to continuity (Q2141130)/timelines − for example, the Tomb Raider games are divided in 4 continuities − but my understanding is that each game is canon within each continuity (there also a bunch of side-stories / spin-offs, some of which I guess may be assigned to a particular subseries, but which may not be canon). Jean-Fred (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like example 3 already adresses this Trade (talk) 02:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
is part of canon[edit]
Description | canon status for this creative work, episode or fictional entity in it's respective narrative universe |
---|---|
Represents | canon (Q53815) |
Data type | Item |
Domain | creative work (Q17537576) |
Allowed values | instances of canon (Q53815) |
Example 1 | Radioactive Man (Q1953829)→The Simpsons canon (Q124206593) |
Example 2 | Treehouse of Horror VII (Q1087745)→unknown (not part of any known canon) |
Example 3 | Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (Q17738)→Star Wars canon (Q3648466) |
Example 4 | Star Wars: Rebel Assault (Q55259)→Star Wars Legends (Q3551295) (canon should probably have its own item) |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Distinct-values constraint | no |
Motivation[edit]
This proposal is an alternative proposal for Wikidata:Property proposal/Canonicity.
- This is a subproperty of part of (P361).
- The subject of this property must be a work (Q386724).
- The object of this property must be a canon (Q53815)
- The property may be used in reference statements, if the object of the reference has no wikidata item. For instance if it is merely a url.
The truthfullness of statements should be evaluated using references. Conflicting statements of non-work entities should be ranked with
- preferred
- reason for preferred rank (P7452) → at least one source is considered canonical (Q106831793) (example)
- depricated
- reason for deprecated rank (P2241) → source is not considered canonical (Q124173200) (example)
Non-conflicting, statements should not be qualified with any canonicity evaluations. Instead a reference statement with stated in (P248) should be present. The object of stated in (P248) should itself have a is part of canon statement. This way a user can query which statements are relevant for a particular canon.
A statement without a reference statement should not be considered canonical – Shisma (talk) 09:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Notified participants of WikiProject Narration Notified participants of WikiProject Fictional universes –Shisma (talk) 11:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment Why are we not allowed to use this on fictional entities?--Trade (talk) 02:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- you could qualify almost every statement of a fictional entity with with whether it is canon or not but that would be:
- a lot of work
- a lot of redundancy
- because the question can be answerd purely on the fact if the information is taken from a work that is part of the body of a canon or if it isn't. thats why I propose only qualify conflicting statements with existing properties. It is a common misconception that an information or statement can be canon. A canon is a collection of works – Shisma (talk) 08:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I literally said nothing about statements Trade (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand. do you have an example? – Shisma (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- ah, you mean like a character? – Shisma (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah Trade (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- so you mean statements like:
- Professor Moriarty (Q283111)is part of canoncanon of Sherlock Holmes (Q2316684)
- I think it would be more correct and straightforward forward to say:
- Professor Moriarty (Q283111)present in work (P1441)The Final Problem (Q228119) + The Final Problem (Q228119)is part of canoncanon of Sherlock Holmes (Q2316684)
- But I'd be fine with the former too. Other opinions? – Shisma (talk) 16:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah Trade (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- ah, you mean like a character? – Shisma (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand. do you have an example? – Shisma (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I literally said nothing about statements Trade (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support, an important property for fiction.--Arbnos (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support I have a slight preference for this one. But Trade's proposal has the advantage that it is possible to make it explicit that something is not part of a certain canon (using canon status:non-canon, restricted to the canon using applies to work (P10663), for instance). With this property we can only express that something is not part of a certain canon if we are complete with respect to that canon. We can use <no value> if there is really no canon this work belongs to, but couldn't there be a Simpsons-Sherlock-Holmes-Crossover that is considered part of the Simpsons canon but not part of the Sherlock Holmes canon? (I could not think of a real example and I'm not sure if this is a likely scenario). How would we express this? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose proving that something is not part of any canon is like proving that something doesn't exist. Maybe it is part of my headcanon that I published on my entirely irrelevant weblog in the late 90s. There would also be an infinite number of works that are not part of a canon. For instance: every Episode of the Simpsons is not in the Sherlock Holmes Canon. I'd say we can add unknown if we don't have a complete catalog of canon items. – Shisma (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- In general you're right. I was just thinking of cases where one would expect that a work is part of a canon but it is not. E.g. for every episode of The Simpsons (Q886) it may be expected that it is part of The Simpsons canon (or I would expect that), but Treehouse of Horror II (Q2376730) is not. It is somehow more interesting that an episode of The Simpsons (Q886) is not part of The Simpsons canon than that it is part of the canon. It is somehow similar to does not have part (P3113) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Valentina.Anitnelav: you mean like not found in (P9660) (opposite of described by source (P1343))? – Shisma (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, or like this (depending on how you think of the relationship between a canon and its "parts"). On the other hand I think my Simpsons-Holmes-expample (where we could not use <no value>) would be very, very rare. Probably we can just forget about it. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, lets keep in mind that is not part of canon could be useful in the future for edge cases – Shisma (talk) 16:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, or like this (depending on how you think of the relationship between a canon and its "parts"). On the other hand I think my Simpsons-Holmes-expample (where we could not use <no value>) would be very, very rare. Probably we can just forget about it. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Valentina.Anitnelav: you mean like not found in (P9660) (opposite of described by source (P1343))? – Shisma (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- In general you're right. I was just thinking of cases where one would expect that a work is part of a canon but it is not. E.g. for every episode of The Simpsons (Q886) it may be expected that it is part of The Simpsons canon (or I would expect that), but Treehouse of Horror II (Q2376730) is not. It is somehow more interesting that an episode of The Simpsons (Q886) is not part of The Simpsons canon than that it is part of the canon. It is somehow similar to does not have part (P3113) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose proving that something is not part of any canon is like proving that something doesn't exist. Maybe it is part of my headcanon that I published on my entirely irrelevant weblog in the late 90s. There would also be an infinite number of works that are not part of a canon. For instance: every Episode of the Simpsons is not in the Sherlock Holmes Canon. I'd say we can add unknown if we don't have a complete catalog of canon items. – Shisma (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support - Weak support. Preferring Trade's proposal. My focus (admittedly I've been on a bit of a wiki-break lately due to IRL priorities) around here has been with works such as the Touhou Project, where canonicity can be fuzzy at times, thanks to the series mostly being the work of just one developer. The first five games in the series were made for the Japanese PC-98 computer in the late '90s. After the PC-98 was discontinued around the turn of the millennium, the series "started over" with 2002's Touhou Koumakyou: the Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, featuring Reimu and Marisa (the deuteragonists) but none of the other characters from the PC-98 games. Only two PC-98 characters (Yuuka Kazami and Alice Margatroid) have ever reappeared in a later Windows game, with both having been redesigned to some degree. When asked about the PC-98 games' canonicity, ZUN (the sole creator) has stated multiple times that (paraphrased) "PC-98 canon applies as long as Windows canon doesn't conflict with it." However ZUN doesn't always section everything off, and the fans are left with "Is this still canon or is this decanonized?" type-of-questions. (For example, Yuuka Kazami had a big mansion-esque building in Touhou 4 (a PC-98 game). She (eventually) reappeared in Touhou 9 (a Windows game)... just in a big flower field, with no sign of a mansion. Did it get removed (decanonized) and replaced with the flower field? Did we just not see it in Touhou 9? Who knows! So would "stuff" (I use the term loosely) discarded in such a manner - never outright stated to have been decanonized, but partially overwritten and otherwise not brought up again - be considered part of a "canon of X" item, or do they not? Or would they be part of a separate "canon of X (old)" item? -- Kurzov (talk) 17:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know any particulars of this franchise. But here's my interpretation and how I suppose the proposed property would apply: There is apperently a work that "is part of a canon" and another work that is "(only partially) part of a canon". Sorry for repeating myself: this property is only concerned with works, not anyone's interpretation of what can be seen in them. In short, i'd model this with the qualifier: nature of statement (P5102) partially (Q100349848) –Shisma (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- We could probably use an item named "loose canon" for this. Trade (talk) 02:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know any particulars of this franchise. But here's my interpretation and how I suppose the proposed property would apply: There is apperently a work that "is part of a canon" and another work that is "(only partially) part of a canon". Sorry for repeating myself: this property is only concerned with works, not anyone's interpretation of what can be seen in them. In short, i'd model this with the qualifier: nature of statement (P5102) partially (Q100349848) –Shisma (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Creative work[edit]
document keywords[edit]
Description | Keywords associated with the text found in <meta name="keywords"> of an HTML document. |
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Represents | subject heading (Q1128340) |
Data type | String |
Domain | scholarly article (Q13442814), news article (Q5707594), website (Q35127) |
Allowed units | Comma-separated values |
Example 1 | Trust and nuanced profile similarity in online social networks (Q61963594)→Social networks, recommender systems, trust |
Example 2 | Why The Future Doesn't Need Us (Q2074626)→future of work, future, opinion, wired classic, longreads, magazine-8.04 |
Example 3 | Wadoku (Q20850709)→official website (P856)https://www.wadoku.de/ Japanisch-Deutsches Wörterbuch, Japanese-German dictionary, japanisch, deutsch, japanisch-deutsch, wadoku.de, wadoku, WaDokuJT, 和独, 和独辞典, 翻訳, 辞典, Wörterbuch, Übersetzung, 日本語, ドイツ語 |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Robot and gadget jobs | A bot could add this as a qualifier to url statements |
See also | author name string (P2093) |
Single-value constraint | no |
Distinct-values constraint | no |
Motivation[edit]
Various websites, articles and scientific papers come with comma seperated tags that represent the content of a page often marked with the HTML tag <meta name="keywords" content="keywords, go, here, …"/>
. Those can be actually helpful to find things using the good old search function (of this very website) as it finds strings in every entity. it might also be helpful in data mining. Not unlike author name string (P2093) values should ideally main subject (P921) or alias or something similiar.
I'll make sure Wikidata for Web (Q99894727) will be able to semi-automatically extract keywords from websites. –Shisma (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
- Comment a couple of thoughts on this:
- * a comma-separated list is rather unstructured (and there's a length limit on values in Wikidata) - I think it would be better to have each string (separated by commas) entered as separate values.
- * You could use main subject with <unknown value> and the string value as object named as (P1932) qualifier value.
- ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support if they can be separate values. I like it as either main statement or qualifier, no preference. If it is a main statement, it would be nice to qualify them with the item for their concept. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 03:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- I see your points. author name string (P2093) has the same issues (and solutions) doesn't it? How about I change the title to document keyword(s) and say it can be used as a claim or qualifier for url properties. – Shisma (talk) 08:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Tend to Oppose as not structured and not clearly resolvable to structured information; author name string (P2093) has the clear implication that it should in the future be resolvable to author (P50), and (it is stated that even something like) scope and content (P7535) has a particular structure to its values. Arthur's suggestion to use 'unknown' main subjects with P1932 qualifiers is much better. Mahir256 (talk) 16:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - unstructured. Lacks a language attribute. Use "main topic". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose by Andy Mabbett Mfchris84 (talk) 20:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for the reasons given above, plus: often contains misguided SEO attempts Jneubert (talk) 20:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done. Lack of support; opposing comments were not addressed. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 04:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
- Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms
- Books, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Books