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This page is for the proposal of new properties.

Before proposing a property

  1. Check if the property already exists by looking at Wikidata:List of properties (manual list) and Special:ListProperties.
  2. Check if the property was previously proposed or is on the pending list.
  3. Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
  4. Select the right datatype for the property.
  5. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below and add it in the appropriate section.

Creating the property

  1. Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
  2. Creation can be done 1 week after the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
  3. See steps when creating properties.

On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2018/04.

Person[edit]

phonetic pronunciation[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionPhonetic pronunciation of name using letters in, and based in, the English language.
Data typeMISSING
ExampleLUD-vig van BAY-TOH-ven

Motivation

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Bossanoven (talk) 20:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose, even for lexicographical data, on the grounds that this opens up the floodgates for more respelling properties for languages with more or less phonetic diversity than English. Mahir256 (talk) 23:48, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose this doesn't seem to have been proposed in the lexeme area which is where it belongs. More importantly we already have IPA transcription (P898). ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
  • GA candidate.svg Weak support, phonetic pronouncation should be useful, but must be according some standard. So more useful is some type of transcription (Q207714). JAn Dudík (talk) 09:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


Identifier[edit]

Identifier/URL portion for the Deutsche Biographie website item on this subject.[edit]

   Under discussion
RepresentsGerman Biography (Q1202222)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter"nomeurl" in w:de:Template:Deutsche Biographie
Domainpersons
Allowed valuesquite varied, e.g. gnd118599631
ExampleJohann Gottfried Quistorp (Q1694137)sfz75422
Formatter URLhttps://www.deutsche-biographie.de/$1.html
See alsoWikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#German_Biography_id

Motivation

authoritative central biographical source of German speaking regions. Can be used as identifier for a subject as well as a reference for other statements. Oursana (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

Swedish Literature Bank ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an author or book, in the Swedish Literature Bank
RepresentsSwedish Literature Bank (Q10567910)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainAuthors; books
Allowed values[a-zA-ZåäöÅÄÖ]+[\/[a-zA-ZåäöÅÄÖ]+]*
Example
Sourcehttps://litteraturbanken.se/om/english.html
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usepopulate with authors and books
Number of IDs in source
  • 1677 authors
  • 3000 books
  • Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
    Formatter URLhttps://litteraturbanken.se/$1

    Motivation

    The Swedish Literature Bank is a co-operation between the Swedish Academy, the National Library of Sweden, the Royal Swedish Academy of Letters, History and Antiquities, the Language Bank of the University of Gothenburg, the Swedish Society for Belles Lettres, and the Society of Swedish Literature in Finland. The Swedish Literature Bank is the website for reliable digital versions of Swedish book classics.

    Swedish classics books and authors will be a good member in Wikidata. We also hope that Wikidata should be a hub for other resources like Dictionary of Swedish National Biography (P3217) and Biographical Dictionary of Swedish Women (P4963)...

    Questions: This will be used both for people(authors) and books is it better to propose two different properties? - Salgo60 (talk) 12:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

    Discussion

    • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 15:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:41, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment It looks like the book URL's (and ID's) are dependent on the author URL's/ID's - is that the case? Or do they really have independent ID's for books? Is the "forfattare" (author) part a necessary part of the ID? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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    Profession[edit]

    Other[edit]

    civil registration district[edit]

       Under discussion
    Descriptionqualifier for references when the reference is a civil registry
    RepresentsSubclasses of administrative territorial entity (Q56061)
    Data typeItem
    DomainReferences to instances of civil registry (Q254213).
    Allowed valuesany item that's an instance of civil registration district (Q47174074).
    ExampleAnne Eliza Back (Q42333974): date of birth (P569) 1841
    Reference
    As a qualifier for references to instances of civil registry (Q254213), for example in Anne Eliza Back (Q42333974) where instance of (P31) has a reference.
    Sourcecivil registries
    Planned useusing entries from Western Australian Registry of Births, Deaths, and Marriages (Q42333722) as references
    Motivation

    The closest one can get to this seems to be location (P276) but that's not permitted for reference qualifiers. Same with located in the administrative territorial entity (P131). I brought this up at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Genealogy#References_to_civil_registers? but with no response, so I thought I'd bring it here.

    There is also the concept of civil registration ID, but that's probably a separate discussion.

    Thanks! Sam Wilson 02:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

    Discussion
    • I'm not exactly sure how the example is supposed to look like. Given that specifying examples for references isn't as clear in the template, can you create example items on https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page ? ChristianKl❫ 13:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
      I've created https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q115908 with the minimal example. Sam Wilson 01:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
      Somehow I don't think this should be in P31, but maybe date of birth (P569) or date of death (P570).
      --- Jura 17:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
      No, I quite agree, it's just there as an example. It should be used as part of a reference wherever is appropriate. Like you say, for dates of birth or death, or perhaps places of birth or death or even country of citizenship etc. Sam Wilson 02:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
      @Samwilson: Sorry for not responding earlier. I updated the sample above. I think it's preferable to include a sample that people can actually imitate directly. Ideally, it would also provide the correct way to include the cited source. I'm not sure about "publication date" and "inventory number". Once the property is created, we should probably add civil registries to Help:Sources.
      --- Jura 10:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
      @Jura1: Good points. I think publication date (P577) is okay, as these things are 'published' as soon as they're recorded, really. inventory number (P217) on the other hand, I agree, does sound strange. It does have an alias of 'reference number' though, which is really what this is. Either way, if these aren't sufficient, do we need to propose new properties to fulfill these functions, or can we tackle the current proposal on its own? Perhaps we want three new properties or none? Sam Wilson 03:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
    • ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I saw some quotes that just mentioned (equivalent of) "1841 birth # 15". I don't think "inventory number" works for that, maybe "catalog code".
      --- Jura 17:11, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
      @Jura1: Sounds reasonable. catalog code (P528) is meant to be used in conjunction with catalog (P972) though. Would the latter supplant stated in (P248) do you think?
      Sam Wilson 13:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
    • How international is this concept? I think in the US all civil registration is at the town level, but if located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) can't be used then I suppose something like this would be needed. Perhaps you could come up with 2 or 3 specific examples from different countries to illustrate how this would work? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
      It's intended to be universal and apply to any civil registry (Q254213) that is divided into subsections of any sort (whether they're called regions or whatever). The trouble is that currently there's no way to specify which subsection a reference is for, and the civil registry can sometimes be quite large. This wouldn't apply where the civil register already is of small scale (e.g. a US town, or small geographical area). For another country's usage, see the UK's BMD districts. Sam Wilson 01:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Symbol support vote.svg Support Ok, I think this is something sensible to add to better specify sources for this kind of information. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment to sort out the qualifier question, I left a note at Wikidata:Project_chat#Help:Sources_and_birth/death,_etc._registries.
      --- Jura 14:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
      • @Samwilson: looks like not much came from it. Do you prefer a separate new qualifier or use the existing "catalog code". In the first case, you might want to add a proposal for it on above on this page.
        --- Jura 06:47, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
    • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment To be correct this property implies that we create an item for each civil district in the world. Then what's about place of publication (P291) ? And I really would like to see different example from different countries like France or Germany with a real different system than the English-speaking world. Snipre (talk) 21:43, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
      @Snipre: Yes, perhaps you are correct, and place of publication (P291) is suitable. I have added a model reference to 'date of birth' in Anne Eliza Back (Q42333974); does that look okay to you? The trouble is that it's not actually the place of publication; in this case, the place of publication would be Perth (Q3183). Then again, there's no real reason place of publication (P291) can't be set to different things for the catalogue vs on the reference to the catalogue... or is there? Does that not make sense? I'm happy for it to be whatever, but don't want to go doing the wrong thing! :) Sam Wilson 06:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)