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Person[edit]

Multi-channel network[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionMulti-channel network with which works YouTube channel
Representsmulti-channel network (Q14635346)
Data typeItem
Template parameterсеть in ru:Шаблон:Видеоблогер and network in en:Template:Infobox YouTube personality
Domainmainly human (Q5), YouTube channel (Q17558136)
Allowed valuesmainly multi-channel network (Q14635346), organization (Q43229), business (Q4830453)
Allowed unitsitem
Example 1Marzia Bisognin (Q18148459)Disney Digital Network (Q6739276)
Example 2Maryana Ro (Q50414326)Yoola (Q30673858)
Example 3Adam Montoya (Q16223298)Machinima.com (Q4043544)
Sourceru:Категория:Многоканальные сети
Planned useпланирую заменить в большинстве страниц текстовые обозначения мультиканальных сетей на данные из Викиданных (I plan to replace in most pages the textual designations of multichannel networks for data from Wikidata)
Robot and gadget jobsнет (none)
See alsoYouTube channel ID (P2397)

Motivation[edit]

Since YouTube is expanding. Так как расширяется рынок YouTube-блоггинга. Skepsiz (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

place of disappearance[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionlast place or location a missing person was seen or otherwise known to be alive
Data typeItem
Domainperson
Example 1Jimmy Hoffa (Q317638)Bloomfield Township (Q885364)
Example 2Amelia Earhart (Q3355)Pacific Ocean (Q98)
Example 3Sean Flynn (Q327426)National Highway 1 (Q1320165)
Example 4Naomi Uemura (Q1322504)Denali (Q130018)
See alsodate of disappearance (P746); place of death (P20)

Motivation[edit]

Currently, the date of disappearance (P746) property exists, but there is no property describing the last known location a missing person was seen alive. This will ensure that a missing person will have paired parameters, similar to date of death (P570) and place of death (P20). HapHaxion (talk) 15:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support, if there is a date of disappearance (P746) it makes sense to create a "place of disappearance" or a "last place before the disappearance". — eru [Talk] [french wiki] 17:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment This a valid proposal, but would it be possible to use "location" or this proposed property as a qualifier for "date of disappearance"?. What happens when the people reappear? Can people go missing more than once? Germartin1 (talk) 07:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
People can go missing more than once. However, date of disappearance (P746) is currently an instance of Wikidata property for birth or death (Q18608756), meaning that it should probably be used only when the disappearance is ongoing, and it is not known if the person is dead or alive (likely assumed dead, since it is the only option satisfying this quality other than birth). If the person is found, the property can be removed since their status is now known (if alive, no other action is necessary; if dead, replace the property with place of death (P20)). HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 11:50, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
In that case wouldn't it make sense to use Property "has quality" or "significant event" with the value "missing" and then use qualifier start and end time. Germartin1 (talk) 14:46, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
I feel that has quality (P1552) would be appropriate, but only if the person is found. This would confirm either the person is still living, or would be placed with the start and end time qualifiers along with date of death (P570) (since the death was confirmed and not assumed as a virtue of the disappearance). This is just my thought process considering "date of disappearance" appears to be equivalent to "date of death" (they cannot both be present at the same time) in terms of them both being a Wikidata property for birth or death (Q18608756). I hope that makes sense. HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 17:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:52, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Use 'location' as a qualifier on 'date of disappearance' or 'signifiant event'. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I added date of disappearance (P746) to two of the samples above (they were lacking it). I think qualifying that with location would be sufficient. --- Jura 10:10, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support If date of disappearance (P746) is currently an instance of Wikidata property for birth or death (Q18608756), and we want to keep it that way, then this should follow the pattern for births and deaths and have separate date and place properties. This should not be modeled by using 'location' as a qualifier on 'date of disappearance' because the location is NOT a refinement of or detail about the date. It is about the disappearance. Infomuse (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
    • Further, I would not limit this and date of disappearance (P746) as only applying to persons. One use might be: Shergar (Q2739031). Animals are born, they die, and sometimes they disappear (either by their own sneaky means, by accident, or by foul play). Infomuse (talk) 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

SVT Open archive[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionSvt the Swedish national public television broadcaster has an archive wit old programs that have subjects/people see example that would be an excellent candidate to link to
RepresentsSveriges Television (Q215363)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainmainly human (Q5), subjects/events
Allowed valueshuman (Q5)/ subjects
Example 1Olof Palme (Q53713) -> medverkande/Olof Palme
Example 2Neil Armstrong (Q1615) -> medverkande/Neil_Armstrong
Example 3Emmanuel Swedenborg (Q185832) -> ovrigt/Emanuel_Swedenborg
Example 4West German Embassy siege (Q531412) -> handelse/Ambassadockupationen i Stockholm
Example 5ABBA (Q18233) -> medverkande/ABBA
Example 6Nobel Prize (Q7191) -> ovrigt/Nobel
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usetry to populate it and create a template in Swedish Wikipedia
Number of IDs in source+1000
Expected completeness100%
Formatter URLhttps://www.oppetarkiv.se/etikett/$1

Motivation[edit]

To connect this archive with Wikipedia/Wikidata will make this archive easier to access and use. The archive also have old programmes example Nobel prize winner Gustaf Dalén from 1924 link of great historical value. Task T211687 in project wmse-riksarkivet-tora Salgo60 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Identifier[edit]

Featured Biographies senator ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an American senator in the Featured Biographies database
RepresentsUnited States Senate Featured Biographies (Q55869099)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valuesString
Example 1Blanche Bruce (Q881412)Bruce
Example 2Nancy Landon Kassebaum (Q458281)Kassebaum
Example 3Uriah Tracy (Q650446)Tracy
Sourcehttps://www.senate.gov/history/featured_biographies.htm
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useTemplate:Public life links (Q55718146)
Number of IDs in source138
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/Featured_Bio_$1.htm
CountryUnited States of America (Q30)
See alsoUS Congress Bio ID (P1157)

Motivation[edit]

This new Wikidata property related to politics (Q22984475) would improve our coverage of the United States Senate (Q66096). Thierry Caro (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Thierry Caro Roseohioresident

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject United States. Thierry Caro (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

ChristianKl Oravrattas Tagishsimon Jacksonj04 Owenpatel Markcridge Louisecrow Nomen ad hoc Tubezlob Siwhitehouse Mhl20 Alexsdutton Danadl Teester Zache a_ka_es Hasive Nat965 masti Papuass Jklamo Kellyjeanne9 ProtoplasmaKid Jmmuguerza Graemebp Pete Forsyth Waldir Jelabra Rfitzel Davidpar Canley Bodhisattwa CYAN

Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject every politician. Thierry Caro (talk) 13:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 09:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose 138 is too few to justify a property. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:41, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
    • @Pigsonthewing: are there guidelines somewhere on what a reasonable number would be to deserve a property? I had a brief look but couldn't find anything relevant (I don't have a particularly good internet connection atm, though, so could easily be missing something.) It seems like it would be useful to connect these up in some way: would you be recommending described at URL (P973) instead, or is there something else more suitable? --Oravrattas (talk) 19:33, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
      • Nothing written down; but from past precedent the bar seems to be set at a few hundred for external iDs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:47, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral really low usage possibility, but why not to have it if it is used Masti (talk) 13:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support In the absence of a minimum requirement for number of IDs in the source, this seems useful to me. --Oravrattas (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I'd like to see some evidence there's going to be some longevity or comprehensiveness to this project. 138 is a low number for both a property and as a percentage of people who have been a US Senator. Gamaliel (talk) 01:42, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Parliament of South Africa ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIdentifier of a person on the Parliament of South Africa website
RepresentsParliament of South Africa (Q2185780)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1Beverley Abrahams (Q47529725)1226
Example 2Beauty Dambuza (Q16744388)4343
Example 3Evelyn Wilson (Q47529709)1686
Example 4Patrick Maloyi (Q16744503)4303
Sourcehttps://www.parliament.gov.za/group-details/0
Mix'n'match2063
Planned useReference members of the South African National Assembly to their corresponding official page
Number of IDs in source443+
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.parliament.gov.za/person-details/$1

Motivation[edit]

At the moment, members of the National Assembly of South Africa are not linked to their corresponding pages on the Parliament's official website except by the use of described at URL (P973) statements. These could be replaced by a more structured property. jacksonj04 (talk) 12:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Gerwoman (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support: analogical property was approved - Wikidata:Property proposal/Verkhovna Rada MP id --Tohaomg (talk) 20:11, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question Are these IDs persistent once the person leaves office? To take one example, the described at URL (P973) to the official website provided on Vuyokazi Ketabahle (Q47529718) no longer seems to be valid. The current preference is to only create new properties for parliament websites if the ID continues to be useful after leaving office — i.e there is at least one valid formatter URL (P1630) even for ex-members. --Oravrattas (talk) 10:44, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
    • I haven't found an example of an identifier being reused, but the page disappearing is definitely an issue to take into consideration. --jacksonj04 (talk) 10:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

*Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral until the pages aren't perennial. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 08:09, 15 December 2018 (UTC). Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Oravrattas. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC).

infosport.ru person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for person on site infosport.ru
Representsno label (Q60574227)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Anton Golotsutskov (Q761638)3338
Example 2Yuliya Allagulova (Q8060970)2856
Example 3Irina Viner (Q2288379)1353
Sourcehttps://infosport.ru
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://infosport.ru/person/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Valuable statistical data and other bio info by Russian sportspeople. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 09:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Viperson ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for person on site Viperson
RepresentsViperson (Q60574569)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Vasiliy Shandybin (Q2134515)shandybin-vasiliy-ivanovich
Example 2Igor Ashmanov (Q4073516)ashmanov-igor-stanislavovich
Example 3Natalia Poklonskaya (Q15963668)poklonskaya-natalya-vladimirovna
Sourcehttp://viperson.ru/search
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://viperson.ru/people/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Bio info by Russian establishment. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 10:03, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:17, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

sportufo.ru person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for person on site sportufo.ru
Representsno label (Q60581660)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Gleb Retivykh (Q9268536)4490
Example 2Natalya Burdyga (Q455774)6992
Example 3Aleksandra Pasynkova (Q976707)1353
Sourcehttp://sportufo.ru/persony.html
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://sportufo.ru/persony/-/$1.html
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Bio info by Russian sportspeople from Ural. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 17:20, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

RBU person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a person at the Russian Biathlon Union site
RepresentsRussian Biathlon Union (Q4430476)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Ekaterina Yurlova (Q433369)1531
Example 2Ole Einar Bjørndalen (Q189408)48531
Example 3Q449861924054
Sourcehttp://biathlonrus.com/team/main/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://biathlonrus.com/team/main/$1/
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248). Also contains bios of athletes, places of births, coaches names. Not to be confused with Property:P5771 and Property:P5772 as it contains other data. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 18:04, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

biathlon.com.ua person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a person at biathlon.com.ua
Representsno label (Q60582585)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Martin Fourcade (Q359348)2505
Example 2Kaisa Mäkäräinen (Q240663)293
Example 3Q254362793262
Sourcehttps://www.biathlon.com.ua/cup.php
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.biathlon.com.ua/profile.php?id=$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248). Also contains bios of athletes, places of births, coaches names. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 18:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  • {{}} --Gabbg82 (talk) 15:51, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

AiF dossier ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionID in series of dossier on the company and famous people by Argumenty i Fakty (Q212256)
RepresentsArgumenty i Fakty (Q212256)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5), organization (Q43229)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Diana Harkusha (Q18636447)2269
Example 2Jedward (Q201811)1714
Example 3Leonid Parfyonov (Q1960651)1436
Sourcehttp://www.aif.ru/dossiers
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.aif.ru/dossier/$1
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248). The series of dossier by influental Russian newspaper and publishing house Argumenty i Fakty (Q212256). Looks like another Russian encyclopedia. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 07:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The description doesn't tell me it's a Russian encyclopedia. Please provide more information in the descrption of the property. ChristianKl❫ 08:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Romanian Soccer player ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a player at the Romanian Soccer site
Representsno label (Q60631143)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Constantin Arbănaș (Q5163698)77
Example 2Lucian Filip (Q3838494)716
Example 3Predrag Ranđelović (Q2446266)1690
Sourcehttp://www.romaniansoccer.ro/players/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.romaniansoccer.ro/players/$1/
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248), contains valuable statistical data. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 19:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Gabbg82 (talk) 08:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Mitte27 (talk) 05:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

sports.md athlete ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an athlete at the sports.md
Representsno label (Q60632076)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Example 1Constantin Arbănaș (Q5163698)dorian_arbanas
Example 2Alexandru Leu (Q3610852)alexandru_leu
Example 3Mahai Cojusea (Q16217441)mahai_cojusea
Sourcehttp://moldova.sports.md/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://moldova.sports.md/$1/
Robot and gadget jobsMaybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248), contains valuable statistical data for football players, futsal players and other athletes. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support Mitte27 (talk) 05:11, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Crew united person ID[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionIdentifier for persons on Crew united
RepresentsCrew united (Q1139837)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter|1= in de:template:Crew united Name
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Joachim Steinkamp (Q1452981)118621
Example 2Anette Hellwig (Q529519) → 26150
Example 3Neelesha Barthel (Q1171155) → 11765
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.crew-united.com/de/profilansichten/?IDM=$1
See alsoWikidata:Property proposal/Crew united Titel

Motivation[edit]

like many other person identifiers this should be in wikidata Queryzo (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I added ID at the end of the property name as is standard with our external ID properties. I changed name to ID for similar reason as the description doesn't speak bout names. Furthermore, I would like a description that says something about what crew-united happens to be and Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose otherwise. ChristianKl❫ 12:27, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
    See de:Crew United, it is the platform for the professional film- and television branch and therefor some of the standard web links in dewiki, where we have 2.000+ implementations. Queryzo (talk) 13:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
@Queryzo: I don't want to see something. I want a description for the property in it's description field. ChristianKl❫ 10:40, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't see the point yet, the property is - like many others - for cast & crew in film business. Queryzo (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Name[edit]

exonym[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionname given to an entity in a language that is not the official language of the place or country of this entity (useful if the entity changed its name at some point and using the label could cause an anachronism)
Representsexonym (Q81639)
Data typemonolingual text or lexeme-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Domainplaces, organizations
Example 1Examples can be found for example here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_renaming#Exonyms_and_endonyms
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Planned useavoid anachronism in infoboxes, per community demands
See alsoofficial name (P1448) View with SQID

Motivation[edit]

As stated in the description, some entity change their names. We handle this with official name (P1448) View with SQID in the native language of the entity, but we don’t have an equivalent for names in different countries. author  TomT0m / talk page 14:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

see also
a discussion in Project chat Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/11#Questions_about_names_:_«_unofficial_»_names_given_by_foreigners_and_the_future_of_names_in_the_lexeme_era ( pinging participants @Jmabel, AnonMoos: ) author  TomT0m / talk page 09:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Would you consider having this as a Lexeme-valued property, rather than monolingual text? ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I agree it should be lexeme related property. KaMan (talk) 05:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Answer @KaMan, ArthurPSmith: Actually I would have sweared I had putted « monolingual text or lexeme » as datatype in the proposal but it seems I did not /o\ Done now

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Dereckson
Harmonia Amanda
Hsarrazin
Jura
Чаховіч Уладзіслаў
Sascha
Joxemai
Place Clichy
Branthecan
Azertus
ToJack
Jon Harald Søby
PKM
Pmt
Sight Contamination
MaksOttoVonStirlitz
BeatrixBelibaste
Moebeus
Dcflyer
Looniverse
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Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Names author  TomT0m / talk page 09:07, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support OK, support as lexeme-valued property. Even though there are a lot of examples on the link you give, it would be nice to see some examples laid out explicitly the way you would like them done (also maybe one or two not in English). ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment name (P2561) could generally be used. It avoids debating if the name is an exonym or not. --- Jura 12:50, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
    @Jura1: I’m unconfortable with this solution in this case, there is at least a need to discriminate between several kind of names and the generic property is not enough. A solution to define an exonym could anyway to create a mandatory qualifier « name given by », after all it’s a ternary relationship as an exonym is associated to an entity that gives the name, always. But it could also fit on the lexeme if we use the lexeme datatype which is the consensus at this point - another difference with this property. author  TomT0m / talk page 12:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
    What about name (P2561) with qualifier issued by (P2378)? --Pasleim (talk) 18:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @TomT0m: Please put in the examples in the way the property is supposed to be used. That information clarifies the proposed semantics of a proposed property. ChristianKl❫ 23:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Given unclearness of the semantics. ChristianKl❫ 19:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Second family name in Scandinavian names[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionScandinavian names, most commonly for people from Denmark or Norway, the mother's maiden name is taken on as a "middle name", see w:en:Middle_name#Scandinavia
Representsproperty
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valuesfamily name or initial. Sometimes the full name is not determinable
Example 1Bjørn Erik Broady Aasebø (Q59678508) looks like he has a second given name in "Erik", and a second family name in "Broady"
Example 2Lars Meinich Andersen (Q59772921)
Example 3Hanne Waaler Lier (Q59715170)
Example 4Tone Tveøy Strøm Gundersen (Q59643094) seems to have two "middle names" that are family names

Motivation[edit]

I've been adding them as a second value to the "family name" property. This isn't entirely accurate 1Veertje (talk) 15:05, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

I'm not native to the region myself. I've been creating so many items about people from Norway because I'm processing the photographs from the Nordic Media Festival. In all I've made ~400 items for conference speakers that weren't listed on wikidata yet. It took a while for me to recognize why so many middle names weren't listed as common given names and how often those middle names looked like family names. It is common, especially in the slightly older generation it seems. 1Veertje (talk) 18:49, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
it's definitely different from Spanish second names. Going by the Wikipedia entry about this: a family name added as a "middle name" in this way can also be in reverence to a grandmother or even a non blood relative. I've also seen it happen that, like a middle name, these names are sometimes abbreviated to just the letter. I wouldn't be surprised if the S. in Harald S. Klungtveit (Q59780807) wasn't a given name but a name like this. 1Veertje (talk) 10:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@1Veertje: Right, I'm not saying it's the same as the Spanish case, it's clearly not. However, this happens frequently in English names also - my father's middle name ("Roylance") was from a family name, not a given name. James Clerk Maxwell (Q9095) (born in Scotland) had "Clerk" coming from a family name (actually it was the family name his father was born with, a slightly more complicated case). I was suggesting this proposal ought to be for a more general property to cover all these (non-Spanish) cases. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
OK! --1Veertje (talk) 19:29, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:40, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment can we call this with a term that is used for such names? --- Jura 07:58, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Ash Crow
Dereckson
Harmonia Amanda
Hsarrazin
Jura
Чаховіч Уладзіслаў
Sascha
Joxemai
Place Clichy
Branthecan
Azertus
ToJack
Jon Harald Søby
PKM
Pmt
Sight Contamination
MaksOttoVonStirlitz
BeatrixBelibaste
Moebeus
Dcflyer
Looniverse
Aya Reyad
Orr Deanna LeiAnn HeaveLEI
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  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment More on this at en:Middle name#Scandinavia. Perhaps it makes sense to limit this to Scandinavian names, as it seems to be more regulated than for English names. According to that enwiki page at least, these are simply referred to as "middle names" in Denmark and Norway, while a second given name is just one of the given names, not a "middle name" there. So "Scandinavian middle name" might be a suitable label here. Though the situation is more complicated for Sweden. Perhaps "middle family name" is a sufficiently clear neutral label? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:54, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - Salgo60 (talk) 15:58, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - One comment though: Couldn't this be made to also include Portuguese naming convention, if I'm not mistaken they also use given name + mother's main family name + father's main family name, so reverse of what the Spanish do. Maybe other languages as well, if we do some quick research? Or maybe every language gets its own naming convention is the way to go? Just a thought. Moebeus (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Can we consider relabeling this to "middle family name" to be more general? Unless there's a better label? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Tussenvoegsel[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionDutch surnames have tussenvoegsels. These are so common that surnames are sorted not by the first letter of the surname but by the first letter of the word after the tussenvoegsel
Data typeItem
Domainfamily name (Q101352)
Example 1De Kok (Q2796392) "de" is the tussenvoegsel
Example 2Van der Velden (Q7913878) "van der" is the tussenvoegsel
Example 3van Leeuwen (Q2617253) "van" is the tussenvoegsel
Sourcetussenvoegsels
See also't (Q4540585) is a tussenvoegsel

Motivation[edit]

Dutch surnames have "tussenvoegsels", so common that names aren't sorted by them. It is not uncommon for forms to ask to define it separately from the surname 1Veertje (talk) 11:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Ash Crow
Dereckson
Harmonia Amanda
Hsarrazin
Jura
Чаховіч Уладзіслаў
Sascha
Joxemai
Place Clichy
Branthecan
Azertus
ToJack
Jon Harald Søby
PKM
Pmt
Sight Contamination
MaksOttoVonStirlitz
BeatrixBelibaste
Moebeus
Dcflyer
Looniverse
Aya Reyad
Orr Deanna LeiAnn HeaveLEI
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Names

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Maybe most common in Dutch, but don't other languages have something similar? Should this be limited to the Dutch case? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The description needs plaintest and doesn't allow wikitext. Please change the description to one that explains what the property is about to someone who doesn't know what Tussenvoegsel means. ChristianKl❫ 15:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting question.svg Question: are you proposing to use these on human or surname items? If we do the latter, do know we can't have "de Jong" and "De Jong" with the same description. I think it would make more sense to use it on the humans. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 13:42, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

linked to profession[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionprofession associated with a family name
Data typeItem
Domainfamily name (Q101352)
Allowed valuesprofession (Q28640)
Example 1Ferrari (Q1407594) blacksmith
Example 2Smith (Q1158446) blacksmith
Example 3Smeets (Q21508465) blacksmith

Motivation[edit]

There are a lot of family names that reference an occupation. 1Veertje (talk) 16:44, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Ash Crow
Dereckson
Harmonia Amanda
Hsarrazin
Jura
Чаховіч Уладзіслаў
Sascha
Joxemai
Place Clichy
Branthecan
Azertus
ToJack
Jon Harald Søby
PKM
Pmt
Sight Contamination
MaksOttoVonStirlitz
BeatrixBelibaste
Moebeus
Dcflyer
Looniverse
Aya Reyad
Orr Deanna LeiAnn HeaveLEI
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Names

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 07:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Profession[edit]

Other[edit]

friend of[edit]

   Under discussion
DescriptionA person who shares mutual friendship another person. This property is symmetrical. Having this property implies being a person. Every value of this property is a person.
Representshuman (Q5)
Data typeItem
Domainfriendship (Q491)
Allowed valuesinstance of (P31): human (Q5)
Example 1Jonathan (Q74891)David (Q41370)
Example 2Joe Biden (Q6279)Barack Obama (Q76)
Example 3Ella Fitzgerald (Q1768)Marilyn Monroe (Q4616)
Example 4Lucille Ball (Q209662)Carol Burnett (Q255565)
See also

Motivation[edit]

I think there would be great value in modelling the social networks of historical/contemporary people within Wikidata.

For context, see: https://twitter.com/sanseveria/status/1072844186846748672

For prior work, see: http://vocab.org/relationship/#friendOf

Discussion[edit]

This is my first property proposal and would appreciate feedback on details I may be missing to make the case for this property. Cheers!  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Todrobbins (talk • contribs) at 20:50, 12 December 2018‎ (UTC).

  • Comment: Needs clarity on the intended sense of "friend" intended. Is this meant to replicate FOAF? Is it to be qualified with "on Facebook", or other networks? Or is it meant to real-life relationships? Is reciprocation required? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:11, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: The intended sense is basically replicating FOAF/Relationship. It could be broadly applied to say a reciprocal/symmetrical Facebook friendship, but more neatly fits real-life relationships. How would I properly propose reciprocation? Todrobbins (talk) 00:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support David (talk) 08:33, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose, again, per points made on the previous proposals. --Yair rand (talk) 03:08, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Use significant person (P3342) for significant friendships; having a generic property for "friendship" would overly clutter items and confuse editors. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:16, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Comment: ArthurPSmith: I think that would be a good approach. Which piece of my proposal should be modified then? Todrobbins (talk) 22:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose The term friendship is too broad. ChristianKl❫ 11:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose as per ChristianKl (talkcontribslogs) - Bodhisattwa (talk) 09:22, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose use significant person (P3342) with a qualifier as to the nature of relation. AgRelOn slide 6 lists maybe 30-40 relations, and Getty ULAN lists about 72 pairs: I don't think we want a property for each one. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 14:03, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Cwf97 (talk) 14:41, 18 January 2019 (EST)

century fl.[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptioncentury or centuries in which a person was known to be alive
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valuesitems such as 15th century (Q7018), i.e. direct instances of century (Q578)
Example 1Edgar Leopold Layard (Q553155)19th century (Q6955)
Example 2Edgar Leopold Layard (Q553155)20th century (Q6927)
Example 3Anna Fugger (Q58264807)15th century (Q7018)
See alsodate of birth (P569), date of death (P570), date of baptism in early childhood (P1636), date of disappearance (P746), floruit (P1317)

Motivation[edit]

Jura
Daniel Mietchen
Marsupium
Skim (talk) 07:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)


Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Q5

While it's possible to compute this from a series of possible properties, this isn't particularly efficient when sorting lists of non-contemporary people or trying to find matches within such lists/queries (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 07:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Use floruit (P1317) with |precision=century, like this; and with multiple values if necessary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:59, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Pigsonthewing. ChristianKl❫ 14:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol wait.svg Wait per Pigsonthewing and the follwing. I've worked on finding matches/comparing with SPARQL for date of birth (P569)/date of death (P570) using the precision and it's not very handy, but a cleaner solution then this proposed property which would would cause maintaining costs and redundancy. --Marsupium (talk) 16:49, 26 December 2018 (UTC), 12:16, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
    • It seems somewhat redundant to set a P1317 value for people who already have some other date. Makes me wonder @ChristianKl: did you actually use this or is this just some virtual idea?
      @Marsupium: I agree that this is equivalent, but I don't think it's handy at all. When trying to match people across centuries, I found grouping them by century is by far the easiest approach. For the new property, there wouldn't be any maintenance involved: once it's defined it doesn't move and it can be set in a fairly by bot. --- Jura 11:17, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: Ok, it can be set by bot indeed. Do you have an example of a query you used that could help to illustrate how big the advantage would be? --Marsupium (talk) 12:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
        • @Marsupium: family_name/Crawford and family_name/Fugger would probably work better by century and given name, at least when one uses it to try to find out where a random member fits in. --- Jura 12:05, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
          • I'll try to investigate/understand the cases later! --Marsupium (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
          • When it comes to a list like that, it seems to me it woud make more sense if the value would be calculated on-the-fly. ChristianKl❫ 13:15, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
            • @ChristianKl: Can you clarify your suggestion about using P1317? It seems a really odd alternative. Do you actually use that? Why would you add a second statement with century precision? --- Jura 13:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
              • I personally don't feel a need and as such I don't use it. ChristianKl❫ 13:33, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
                • @ChristianKl: maybe you want to edit your comment above. Some users might try to follow your suggestion and end up getting reverted. See Help:Dates for general suggestions. --- Jura 13:37, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
            • It is easy to get the century (as whatever you want to define it, see phab:T95553) from any Time datatype value. Do the queries time out if you do that? Any problem with using existing date of birth (P569)/date of death (P570) for that? --Marsupium (talk) 23:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Facilitating some matching tasks is not enough reason to introduce redundant properties.
Why "century" only? Why not "decade of birth" etc etc?
If you need derived fields for matching, incent Magnus to port MnM to Wikibase (@Jura1: have you heard the news?) and in that Wikibase I'm sure people will more readily accept all sort of cached props
--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your input. I think the use of most properties at Wikidata is just limited to some matching task. --- Jura 14:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

works in collection[edit]

Descriptioncollections that have works of this artist
Data typeItem
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valuescollection (Q2668072), archive (Q166118), museum (Q33506)
Example 1Gerrit de Wilde (Q59700806)Museum Flehite (Q29908492)
Example 2M. Zwartser (Q60268368)North Holland Archives (Q2200595)
Example 3Piet Mondrian (Q151803)Gemeentemuseum Den Haag (Q1499958)
Example 4Vincent van Gogh (Q5582)Van Gogh Museum (Q224124)
Planned useadd information to 19th century photographers
See alsoarchives at (P485)

Motivation[edit]

We are adding artists and photographers to Wikidata from collections of museums and archives. Currently those are orphans as there is no way to connect the artists to the collection (unless we create an artwork item, but this is not always useful). We would like to add connections to the collections that have works of the the artist because for GLAM-institutions it is useful to know of institutions who have material of this artist and could be expert on the artists work. One reason for this is that GLAMs are able to contact heirs for licensing or exhibitions by contacting the insititution that have works in the collection. Hannolans (talk) 00:41, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Hi Andy Mabbett, could you elaborate a bit on how this could be computed? I am curious. MichellevanLanschot (talk) 06:54, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. It is easier to store this than to create statements for every single artwork and then process the data hoping that our database is exhaustive. collection or exhibition size (P1436) may be used as a qualifier. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support. Agree with Thierry Caro, also, artworks might not be notable enough, e.g. for photographers etc., but the artist and the collection and their connection might be. MichellevanLanschot (talk) 06:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Thierry Caro, Hannolans, Pigsonthewing, MichellevanLanschot: ✓ Done: works in collection (P6379). − Pintoch (talk) 21:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

World Cube Association ID[edit]

   Under discussion
Descriptionsee https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/faq#how-do-i-obtain-a-wca-id-and-a-wca-profile
RepresentsWorld Cube Association (Q2715960)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpeople (speedcuber)
Allowed values(19|20)\d\d[A-Z}{4}\d\d
Example 1Feliks Zemdegs (Q715552) → 2009ZEMD01
Example 2Minh Thai (Q1172987) → 1982THAI01
Example 3Yu Nakajima (Q1634307) → 2007NAKA03
Sourcehttps://www.worldcubeassociation.org/persons
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source117714, though most of them are not notable
Expected completenessalways incomplete
Formatter URLhttps://www.worldcubeassociation.org/persons/$1

Motivation[edit]

(Add your motivation for this property here.) GZWDer (talk) 18:11, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]