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expand UserLanguageCode options

official name (P1448) and other properties that require monolingual text use UserLanguageCode to identify the language. But many languages are not allowed, including Koyukon, the language of the name Denali (Denali (Q130018)). This is the case even though Koyukon has ISO 639-3 and Glottolog codes. We should expand the UserLanguageCode options to include all languages that the ISO identifies. Runner1928 (talk) 14:28, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

  • +1. Some time ago i tried to use Old High German (Q35218) but it was missing from language code list. -- Vlsergey (talk) 15:02, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Where a language is written in various scripts we need to extend the language code to show the script used in that version of the name. Some names will have an official versions in each of the scripts used by a same language and we need to record them all. Joe Filceolaire (talk) 02:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Automatic description for categories, templates, etc items

I think will be good idea to take descriptions from item specified Property:P31 in case of categories, templates, etc items. This will allow to avoid duplicated information as well as keep it always up to date. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 02:19, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Search box: make searching for properties possible

Per Help:Navigating_Wikidata#Using_the_search_box, the box currently only uses namespace 0. Can this be expanded to property namespace? It seems people keep missing existing properties as the box doesn't find them. --- Jura 06:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

We have phabricator:T48251 for that. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is about the same as it mentions all namespaces. Which underlying features are being used to generated results?
For Wikidata specific searchbox look-up, we currently have a look-up for property names (ns 120) when starting to enter statements and then for property names (ns 120) or items names (ns 0) depending on whether the property being used has Wikidata-property-datatype or Wikidata-item-datatype.
The suggestion here is to combine the two for the general searchbox (currently limited to items lookup).
The same namespaces are also searched by default at Wikidata when using Special:Search/population.
All other namespaces would remain possible through advanced search options. --- Jura 04:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is about more than what you mention but I think it covers what you need as well then? --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 14:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Well, phabricator:T48251 seems to require creation of a new feature. I thought it might be easier to adapt the existing function(s) for the search box, especially as even for regular search, people don't seem to be asking for more than namespaces 0 and 120. --- Jura 14:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
I at least am always annoyed that it doesn't work for the project namespace :D But I can ask to see if it'd be easier to do if we only add the property namespace for now. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:30, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Well, as it's you, I could create items for the pages you are missing in project namespace ;) --- Jura 15:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Triage, prioritize and sprint on T102324

The above task asks to improve suggestions for qualifiers on initial entry of statements.

  • Currently these suggestions are the same as for properties of statements ("not helpful").
  • When editing the same statement after an initial save, the suggestions for qualifiers are much better.

Would attempt to align the behavior at initial entry to the one at subsequent edits?

Subscribers of task: @Matěj Suchánek, Sjoerddebruin, Lydia Pintscher (WMDE), Aude, AKlapper (WMF):,

The task is open in Phabricator, but currently needs triage and prioritization. Thanks for your help. --- Jura 11:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Done :) --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 14:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Current UI on IE9

I am on older computer again (IE 9 only) and reporting, that is not possible to edit statements (no edit button), it is possible to change label using Special:SetLabelDescriptionAliase (basic, but working) and sitelinks using Special:SetSiteLink (working, but not showing existing sitelinks, so confusing and limited). I remember, that it was possible to edit statements (and sitelinks properly) with older UI. It may be confusing to new users with that configuration, that they are not able to edit statements. --Jklamo (talk) 13:52, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Adam is looking into it. There is an error in the error console. It is unclear yet why. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 14:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks a lot. I was expecting answer like "update/change" browser, so positive surprise for caring users with old computer/fixed browser. --Jklamo (talk) 18:53, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Projet interlangue

Sorry to speak in french but my english is really too basic - Translate please

Bonjour, je signale deux problèmes intervenant quand on se connecte sous IP en tant qu'utilisateur non enregistré

  1. L'interface est par défaut en anglais et il est impossible de changer de langue : la boite qui s'ouvre quand on clique sur le bouton "english" indique «Log in to select a different language for menus.». Ne pourrait-on pas proposer aux IP un sélecteur de langue comme il en existe un sur Wikimedia Commons ?
  2. Quand on passe, sous IP, de fr.Wikipedia à Wikimedia Commons, l'interface reste en français et quand on bascule alors sur Wikidata, l'interface demeure en français. mais quand on passe sous IP directement de fr.Wikipedia à Wikidata, l'interface passe en anglais. Comment arranger cela ?

Merci pour vos réponses. HB (talk) 06:38, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Thanks

Translation:
I detected two language-related issues when accessing Wikidata as an IP - without being connected as a user.
  1. The UI is in English by default, and it is impossible to change the language. The box which opens when I click on the "English" button says "Log in to select a different language for menus." Is it be possible to offer a language selector, just like the one on Wikimedia Commons?
  2. When passing from fr.Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons as an IP, the UI stays in French. But, when passing from fr.Wikipedia to Wikidata, the interface switches to English. Is it possible to fix this?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Jzu (talk) 10:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
You can change the language of Wikidata with the button in the upper area, left to your username. It will probally say English at the moment. You'll get a pop-up, select the French language there and done. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:44, 8 September 2015 (UTC) If someone can translate this to French, be my guest.
@Sjoerddebruin: I don't think that solves her problem actually, which is mainly that a non logged in french speaking user coming from frwiki to wikidata following any link will get an english interface whatever happens, and that it's pretty tricky and complex to change the language (after checking this myself with the private mode of my brower, I get a "please log in to change the language" message when I click on the ULS english. If you don't read english you can't even understand that ... I don't really thinks this works even if the intention is for the users to create a user account ... author  TomT0m / talk page 11:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
@HB: Sjoerd dit qu'il faut cliquer sur le "english" de la barre du haut à côté de son nom d'utilisateur pour changer de langue. Je lui répond que ça ne résoud pas ton problème, j'imagine, et que même si il y a peut être un objectif d'encourager la création de comptes, le fait que rien que pour comprendre le message qui s'affiche quand tu essayes de changer la langue en étant non connecté soit en anglais n'est probablement pas une bonne idée ... author  TomT0m / talk page 11:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Alphabetical sorting of time values

Naive question to anyone passing by: can we order two date snaks by just comparing their value.time string ? I mean is a.value.time < b.value.time equivalent to "a is before b" ? --Zolo (talk) 06:53, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I think that used to work (at least with the same accuracy). --- Jura 07:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I think it should work, even if two dates do not use the same calendar. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 13:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
@Jura1, Innocent bystander:, actually though it seems to work for most dates, I see that there is now only 4 digits for the year by default. It cannot be the case after 9,999, or more importantly, before 10,000 BC. I suppose "+2012-08-27T00:00:00Z", will be counted as > "+10000-08-27T00:00:00Z". --Zolo (talk) 15:33, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

be-tarask

Hello. We were moved to be-tarask from be-x-old recently (September 4). Today it's impossible to add article be-tarask:Пётар Чавус to this item. I don't sure if these two events are linked in any way, because wikidata worked for me yesterday. --Renessaince (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't work either for recently created be-tarask:Уладзімер Ігнацік and Q796327 pair. Could You please advice what to do with these interwikis? --Renessaince (talk) 15:45, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
A ticket was created at phab:T111822 - Nikki (talk) 17:42, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for quick resolving. --Renessaince (talk) 06:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

WDS: "novalue" same as no value?

It seems that one can't get "novalue" to be listed in results. Or maybe it's just blank, as no value.

"somevalue" appears as "t" followed by a number. --- Jura 14:30, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Assuming you mean the new SPARQL query service, the documentation for somevalue and novalue snaks can be found here. -- Bene* talk 17:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
  1. How can it be made visible? Sample for Q887117#P263 (compared to Q20804538), both in this? --- Jura 17:53, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
  2. Similarly, how can I filter "novalue" to only get items without the property (exclude Q887117#P263, but include Q20804538)? I tried this based on the sample in the manual: both "novalue" and no value are shown. --- Jura 08:25, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
@Smalyshev (WMF): Maybe you can have a look? --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 20:09, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
@Jura1: this is the way to do it.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smalyshev (WMF) (talk • contribs).
Thanks Smalyshev, but I was trying to exclude those. My attempts with "MINUS" "FILTER" or "EXISTS" etc. didn't lead far. I suppose eventually SPARQL_Query_Examples will cover it. --- Jura 13:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Update documentation

Can someone update Module:I18n/datatype for the quantity with unit datatype ? I don't know if now there is a difference between the quantity datatype and the quantity with unit datatype so I prefer to let informed person doing that. Snipre (talk) 18:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

It is the same datatype :) --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 20:08, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Convertible units

On PC Lydia confirms that you intend to make the quantity datatype convertible between different units.

How does your model look like?

I think the framework to do this maybe already exists? I mean, we can already today create a relation between the item about "meter" and the item about "kilometer". Maybe something like "kilometer" "a proper property" 1000 units of "meter". Ok, this is not supported by the Property-parser, but I have never been any fan of this parser anyway. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 13:57, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

We have not settled on anything yet. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 14:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit summary language after the latest update

Hello, this edit summary is looked as

‎Создано заявление: пол (P21): male

instead of

‎Создано заявление: пол (P21): мужской (Q6581097)

My current language is Russian. The behavior was changed today or yesterday. The issue affects watchlist, item history, user contrib page too. Is it known issue? — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 21:40, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I just checked and notice the same behaviour. I should see the Dutch label in the summary, but I also get an unlinked English label. Mbch331 (talk) 05:11, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for reporting! gerrit:237345 should fix it for new edits. --Ricordisamoa 10:02, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Merged and backported by Katie. I don't know whether/how the team intends to fix old edits, though. --Ricordisamoa 05:21, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't think we can really fix the old edits since the issue is how they are stored in the database (vs how they are rendered), but we tried to fix quickly as possible to minimize the impact. Aude (talk) 07:14, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
and thanks Ricordisamoa for the patch! :) Aude (talk) 07:14, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you all for the quick fix, new summaries are looked fine now. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 20:19, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Create item link on Special:Search results

Somehow the link went missing. Can it be readded? --- Jura 09:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes :-) See [1] and [2] -- Bene* talk 21:30, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I suppose I should be reading Magnus' Twitter ;)
BTW, the interface message is at MediaWiki:Searchmenu-new. --- Jura 09:53, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

property image of grave (P1442)

cannot be added e.g. in Marino Morosini (Q1072685). The waiting circle keeps turning--Oursana (talk) 11:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem in choosing image of grave (P1442). Can't add it as I don't have a value for this. Mbch331 (talk) 12:40, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
here it worked, but in the above item still does not. The value I added at the disc.--Oursana (talk) 14:14, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I could add it without problems. But sometimes I also experience the situation where the waiting circle keeps turning. Reloading the page always helps. --Pasleim (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I think it tends to happen when one changes the name of the property after an initial selection, but I couldn't create one that can be reproduced. --- Jura 09:55, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Templatedata, Wikidata and infoboxes

Hi, we lack an equivalent of "Templatedata" for infoboxes and templates that uses Wikidata. The problem showed up on one of the recent heated discussions about Wikidata on frwiki.

Usecase :

In an infobox template
someone wants to put an infobox, in VE lets say. He has documentation about the name of the parameters and what to put as values through templatedata
In a Wikidata template
someone wants to put an infobox, in VE lets say. Without gadgets, he has to put the infobox, then to go to Wikidata such as to find the relevant properties, using the property suggestions to find what he is looking for

I think there is a missing link beetween an infobox and the data it uses and the Wikidata ontology, and it has rightly said that this is an analog problem of the one documentation of the templates parameters through templatedata. As templatedata and Wikidata are structured data, there might be something to dig here ...

Thoughts ?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by ‎TomT0m (talk • contribs).

Yes definitely. There is still a lot to do. We currently have a student work on her bachelor thesis investigating editing on the clients. Once that's done I intend to move forward with improving all that. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:18, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Can we have monolingual text in Korean in Hanja or Hangul?

See proposal at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#hanja. I think a separate property is not the way to go. Instead we should be able to specify if a monolingual text is in ko-hanja script or in ko-hangul script. Can this be done? Joe Filceolaire (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

That's phabricator:T74126. Adrian is back from paternity leave and looking into it. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I've been trying to link to link two articles in Romanian and English - it does not work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrophage

and

https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrofag

I keep getting this error message "The specified article could not be found on the corresponding site". Mainly because wikipedia keeps adding an '(apostrophe) after each article that I copy paste and enter.

The external client site 'enwiki' did not provide page information for page 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrophage'. - see the apostrophe at the end? It only appears after I press "Link with page"  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by AdrianConst (talk • contribs).

enwiki (English language Wikipedia) is already used by Q184204.
The Romanian article is linked from Q12734673.
As both items are about the same these can be merged. This will add English to the interwikis at Romanian. --- Jura 07:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I still don't understand it, but it worked.

Tutorial commentary

I'm not sure whether the tutorial is within the remit of the developers or if that is something created by users.

Because I am new to Wikidata, I decided to start with the tutorial. Overall it's pretty good, but I had some challenges, most of which can be fixed quite easily. I shared my experiences here:

Wikidata_tutorial_commentary

Please let me know if this place is the right place to let you know or if I should be posting this somewhere else.--Sphilbrick (talk) 17:17, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, a really big thank you for taking the time to write your comments down. I've created these tutorials quite a time ago and it seems during the latest redesigns some things got broken. I will try to address them as soon as possible. I will also reply to your notes then more in detail. Once the redesign is finished, I also want to create tours for the rest of the ui. Perhaps we should have some browser tests to avoid such regression. Best regards, -- Bene* talk 06:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your response, I wasn't quite sure who created them which is why I posted here. Good point that redesign probably affected them. As I mentioned I have experience writing tutorials and that was one of our challenges. We would tweak the system to make it better and then a new user would walk through the tutorial and wonder why it didn't seem to match up with the system. Not surprisingly, when we worked on improving the system it wasn't our highest priority to go out and update the tutorial.--Sphilbrick (talk) 15:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Error trying to added an alias to p1344

Wikidata p1344 p710 conflict error.png

I was trying to add the English alias "participated in" to participant of (P1344) and copy the English title, description and alias to British English. However, I am unable to make any of these changes (I've tried most combinations) as I get the error: "Property participant (P710) already has label "udelženec" associated with language code sl." (see screenshot).

The history of participant (P710) shows this label was added on 14 November 2014 and it was added to participant of (P1344) on 17 January 2015. A Slovenian description was added immediately afterwards, and there have been many label and alias updates in other languages since January so it makes no sense why I'm being prevented now. I do not have Slovenian set in any language or babel settings. I don't speak the language so can't help with whether the label is appropriate in either property. Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 14:13, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

We had a bug that allowed this for some time. I recommend removing the label and waiting for a native speaker to re-add the correct one. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:43, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Which one should be removed? How do I edit the label of a language I do not have set in my preferences? Why is the existence of a problem in Slovenian preventing unrelated edits to English/British English? Thryduulf (talk: local | en.wp | en.wikt) 11:38, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
I think it would probably be best to remove both, since we don't know which one is the right one. I know of three ways to edit labels in other languages: The one which is usually the best solution is to enable the "labelLister" gadget in the preferences (which adds a tab to display and edit all of the labels). The other two options are to temporarily change the interface language or temporarily add "sl-0" to your babel box on your user page. I can't answer the third question since I don't know how it all works behind the scenes. - Nikki (talk) 12:58, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Special:PagesWithBadges

Special:PagesWithBadges don't work? --ValterVB (talk) 17:15, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I think the page is only designed to show articles from the current wiki, so to look for enwiki articles with badges, you would go to en:Special:PagesWithBadges. I'm assuming there are no Wikidata pages with badges, because we don't have things like featured articles. - Nikki (talk) 17:33, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Ops, you are right. --ValterVB (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2015 (UTC)