User talk:Melderick

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Best regards! --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:49, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Babel[edit]

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December 2015[edit]

Hello, I'm Tom Morris. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Q6581072 because it didn't appear constructive. Feel free to use the sandbox for test edits. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!—Tom Morris (talk) 17:41, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Re: Elisabeth of Courtenay[edit]

Hi Melderick.

Sorry for that, I was wrong. I have reverted my editions to the last correct version. Excuse me the inconvenience.

Regards, Ivanhercaz | Discusión Plume pen w.png 11:51, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

William I of England (Q37594)[edit]

This edit has been reported at Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard#William I of England (Q37594) due to the incredible nature of a child of an English monarch only having an Arabic Wikipedia article, and not even an English language name. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi User:Jc3s5h, yeah I understand your question. According to en:Sancho_II_of_Castile_and_León, his wife Alberta was possibly a daughter of William I. I updated both items. --Melderick (talk) 22:24, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

You added another father on Q2128810 2016-06-24T19:46:42‎[edit]

FYI I took away the second father you added on Q2128810 2016-06-24T19:46:42‎ - Salgo60 (talk) 16:33, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me about it. I added this second father following the Russian Wikipedia. Can you explain why you removed that statement ? --Melderick (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Your feedback matters: Final reminder to take the global Wikimedia survey[edit]

(Sorry to write in Engilsh)

Greetings Genealogy Fan![edit]

I'm working on a rather large scale effort to help get in claims of the sort that you're creating - by hand?

Anyway, I work using the Genealogy Wiki "WeRelate". It's a wiki - organized at a page per person - with features that allow the people to be connected up as father/mother/sibling/spouse/etc.,etc.

The complete database at WeRelate has something like 2.8M people, but my focus is the people who have a wikipedia page - and more generally - those who have an associated Wikidata identity. I've been tagging Person pages with their corresponding Wikidata identifier.

Using a bit of code I've written, I'm able to search out all the pages on WeRelate with a Wikidata ID. Then, my program uses the WeRelate connections to infer what the Wikidata genealogy claims would be. Finally, it comes over to Wikidata, comparing what's been inferred with what's actually present. That's how I came up with the 4,000 or so claims I've made so far - I've got another 5,000 waiting to upload.

I think my approach is very good in a statistical sense - but a bad page assignment on WeRelate is apt to yield a bad result in an upload. Apparently, you've encountered a couple.

I wanted you to be aware of what I'm doing - and let you consider how it might affect you. If you're interested - I would really welcome your participation in the effort that I've been on. Perhaps you would consider working through the same domains you're interested in from the WeRelate perspective? If you worked there - my automatic process would then pick up what you had found - and create the needed claims for Wikidata?

Anyway, best regards, and I hope I don't step on your toes - not too much anyway.... --Jrm03063 (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jrm03063: Greetings to you too. Well, sure, I can include WeRelate in the way I work. We will need to talk about a few things :

- do you have a process to update a Wikidata ID that have been merged into another item ?

WeRelate is a single tree environment - so only one "Person:" page per human. Duplicates are merged - so we shouldn't ever have more than one WeRelate "Person:" page with a particular Wikidata ID. My tool looks across the entire WeRelate universe for Person: pages tagged with a Wikidata ID. The first check is simply to make sure that no duplicates are encountered. --Jrm03063 (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
No. Take for example, [1]. 2 items on Wikidata refered to that person : Margaret of Guelders (Q24040015) and no label (Q27996381). The usual process on Wikidata is to merge those items (here into Margaret of Guelders (Q24040015)). Now imagine on WeRelate you had linked your Person to Q27996381, you would now have the wrong link (not totally false, but clearly outdated). So my question was : do you have a process to identify those kind of persons and to change their link to the right one (Q24040015) ? --Melderick (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

- what are you doing when your tool finds statements on Wikidata that are not on WeRelate ?

I can emit those results any way I want. Previously, I reviewed my list and entered claims manually. I've lately changed to emit the claims in "Quick Statement" format - but I've yet to be able to perform such batch loads of claims. Others have been able to do so though - so I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually. --Jrm03063 (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I am mostly interested (or concerned) with your statement of "removal of some plainly incorrect connections". If it's possible, I would rather check those before they are removed. Some of those statements might have to be set to deprecated instead of removed. Other cases could be to mark the statement as disputed or just hypothetic. Those kinds occur a lot in medieval genealogical data. --Melderick (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for being interested enough to consider this. You had found a couple claims I entered that needed to be reverted - which probably means that the pages on WeRelate aren't tagged correctly. Regrettably, that's easy to believe - because I originally had associated WeRelate pages with English Wikipedia page names. As biographies in Wikipedia get added to and reorganized - names are often changed - such that the WeRelate pages might not reflect the right Wikipedia page any more. When I move through quickly - adding Wikidata IDs for the pages with English Wikipedia - I may not notice an association that's changed or bad. So if you find mistakes I've made with claims on Wikidata - chances are they're also present back on WeRelate. If I don't get them resolved back there - I might re-introduce them to Wikidata.
It's easy to find out if WeRelate knows about a Wikidata page - go to this search screen, then enter the Wikidata ID as a Keyword. --Jrm03063 (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes. I found out and started adding a couple of Wikidata ID, while I go through my own list (currently 38000 items). --Melderick (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2017 (UTC)