User talk:Mahir256/Archive 4

Here's the first archive. Here's the second archive. Here's the third archive.

lexem creation

Sorry, I realized when receiving the notification of your deletion of L656171 that I created a lexem instead of an element. Thank you for the control. :)Lupin~frwiki (talk) 21:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Disruption on project chat

How do you plan to handle Special:Diff/1557032344? Bovlb (talk) 21:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bovlb: I have handled it through restoring my notice and adjusting the current block to include (temporarily) the Wikidata namespace. Desperate times and what they call for... Mahir256 (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. My thoughts ranged from a one page block to a full block. I'm finding it really hard to help this user out of their hole. Bovlb (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bovlb, Mahir256: In case you haven't noticed the change Special:Diff/1569482484. You are welcome to chat about my ban here in the back room or you can comment on the topic on the administrator page in the topic “Discussion moved to usernamespace”. --Gymnicus (talk) 01:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Gymnicus: I am sad that you feel the need to do this. I don't think this is advancing your case in the right direction. Ostentatious displays of disruption are not going to convince anyone that the project does not require protection from you. 😔 Bovlb (talk) 01:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bovlb: Yes, I see these – shall we say – three edits (Special:Diff/1569482484, Special:Diff/1569482596, Special:Diff/1569483605) as important. It's not about disruptions, it's about the incomprehensible behavior of Mahir256, which unfortunately is also covered by you. He was not involved in the discussion at all, we know the reasons for that. But he takes the right to move the discussion to my username space without any reason and without any visible reason. Or did I write in the discussion that I disagree with your suggestion? At least I can't read anything about it in the discussion. So it is also the case that Mahir256 did not give me the opportunity to comment on your suggestion and to implement it myself. It is a pity that you tolerate and support this disruptive behavior of Mahir256 towards me. --Gymnicus (talk) 09:15, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Lexeme level for "described"

Hi,

About estyn (L626559) that you created during my last Twitch session (by the way, thanks for stopping by ;) ), I noticed that you used described at URL (P973) at the sense level but shouldn't it be at the lexeme level with a qualifier pointing to the sense(s) ? Plus, there is already an item for this dictionary: A Pocket Dictionary: Welsh-English (Q19024387) so we can replace described at URL (P973) by described by source (P1343) (but I'd like to know what you think about the level question before doing the replacement).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 08:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: No problem, I'm happy that I was able to stop by! I used it at the sense level to admit the possibility that there are other senses for that word which aren't described in that pocket dictionary (as it were, there was at least one such other sense in Pughe's dictionary). Somehow I forgot to look up whether the pocket dictionary had an item already; thanks for bringing the item to my attention! I have adjusted the reference on "estyn" accordingly. Mahir256 (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Request

Hello brother. I am from Bangladesh. I am a media-wiki supporter. I am editing wikidata by mobile phone. Some days ago when i was going to edit then i faced a problem in editing function. I guess that it was an IP problem. It is impossible to use a VPN everytime. So i need IP block exemption rights for indefinite time. I requested this on Martin Urbanec but he didn't reply.↠Tanbirzx (✉) 19:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@Tanbirzx: আপনার অনুরোধটা এই পাতায় কপি করেছি। Mahir256 (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Info

Hello Mahir,
Did you create this edit by hand or by bot ? I wonder about the scalability and completeness of this property for this language. How many of Bengali Wikidata lexemes have LL recordings ? Yug (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Yug: I'm not familiar with Mahir's method or what "LL" signifies, but to answer your second question, there are currently 4,640 Bengali lexemes with at least one audio recording (most of which seem to be labelled "LL"), i.e. many more than in English and Swedish together. Counting all forms of each lexeme, there are 34,256 Bengali recordings in total (my apologies if I'm interfering with a private conversation). --SM5POR (talk) 16:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Yug: The edit you have linked to was done manually. The edits after that edit were done with QuickStatements (Workaround (Q18614566)). Mahir256 (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@SM5POR, Mahir256: Thank you for joining in. According to LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages, Bengali (LL:Q307, :wikidata:Q9610) has 58,982 recordings. Given the width of it adding those to Wikidata lexeme should be a bot task.

I believe meta:User:Lingua Libre Bot (wd•c) was designed to do so. I will inquire this issue on our Discord server (bot channel). Yug (talk) 11:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Example of Lexeme:L302195

• 2020/06/09: lexeme creation
• 2020/07/30: records LL audio
• 2020/08/02: add recording (Mahir)

Lingua Libre Bot first activated in June 10th, 2018. Yug (talk) 11:52, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok! So only words recorded via Lingualibre + Wikidata listing query, or words processed by hand and "Quick Statement" have audios recordings.
Your current approach is good. 👍🏻
LinguaLibre's few bot masters are not active at the moment due to IRL projects. But if your team can lead the creation of a bot on that matter, (preferably in few months after Poslovitch yearly exams), it's ok. If not, we have it on LinguaLibre bot masters todo list for future hackathons (no certainty) . Yug (talk) 08:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with any of the work you are doing (and I have no experience running bots myself), but I'm glad to see these efforts aimed at enhancing the lexeme database (I have seen a number of pronunciation audio recordings in the main Wikidata Q item namespace, where I don't think they belong).

In order not to have to rerun the bot soon because some error was made initially, I suggest manually dressing up a few model lexemes in the language at hand first, to see if there are other properties or qualifiers that could be added at the same time. I'm thinking of things like IPA phonetic expressions; are there perhaps existing databases of those as well? Also, what to do about recordings that don't yet have corresponding lexeme entries in Wikidata; any chance of having those created first (or simultaneously)?

I don't know Bengali myself, but I recall trying to learn the Devanagari script (from Sanskrit, not Bengali) back in the 1970's and having fun transliterating Swedish names and other stuff into it. Now Google Translate has spoiled some of the fun, but it can be used in other ways... সবুজ হ্যামস্টার অবতরণ করেছে! সবুজ হ্যামস্টার অবতরণ করেছে! green (Q3133) Syrian hamster (Q204175) perfective (Q1424306) landing (Q844947) --SM5POR (talk) 10:18, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Agree, better to walk forward carefully with a dual bot master and lingualibre/lexeme expertise. We don't have API at the moment but I agree that more properties may be to consider.

Since we don't have those we won't move forward with a bot for now.

But this was an interesting discussion and a view into the near future for lexemes and lingualibre. Yug (talk) 11:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Yug, @Mahir256: I found out afterwards that the recent round of Community Wishlist proposals included an entry for an automatic IPA audio renderer that scored quite well in the vote. While a synthetic pronunciation recording may not be as good as a human one, you may still want to keep an eye on this in case it gets implemented and you happen to lack recordings where you have IPA pronunciation strings. As someone suggested, having a poor recording may be better than having none at all to encourage volunteers to contribute their own recordings. It would also increase the usefulness of any IPA databases. --SM5POR (talk) 06:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Generic Lua API for Wikidata

@Mahir256: I made a comment to (and in support of) your proposal meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Wikidata/Accessing items with particular statements via Lua. You may want to have a look at what I started doing a year and a half ago, in case this could be worked into a generic Lua API for accessing Wikidata information. --SM5POR (talk) 09:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mahir256: Unfortunately, your proposal didn't score as high as I had hoped in this survey. I'm still interested in going along with my project, and it would be great if you could give me some feedback on it with respect to what your actual needs are. I'm not out of ideas myself; I just don't want to work in a complete vacuum. --SM5POR (talk) 06:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Rehman

Why don't you just ignore this and move on and wait until it's archived anyway... Wow, you are bad. --A.Savin (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@A.Savin: Come on man, I'm trying to log in to GoFundMe to donate; the site isn't helping me reset my password for some reason! (If this doesn't count as my zakāt (Q124058) for the year, then I don't mind donating even more!) I even indicated no prejudice against Rehman in my edit summary and have in fact posted the link in a number of Wikimedia-related Telegram groups! Mahir256 (talk) 14:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not begging for alms, I just thought Rehman is enough respected here to have some friends who are willing to help when necessary. If you feel obliged to give alms to someone, you can donate for Welthungerhilfe or something. Regards --A.Savin (talk) 14:56, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Sydney to the Max

Can you set the label in Bengali for Sydney to the Max? 2600:1700:53F1:5560:9015:CE8F:DF8D:C17D 19:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I set it to "সিডনি টু দ্য ম্যাক্স", is that right? I found this from bn:ডিজনি চ্যানেল (জাপান). 2600:1700:53F0:AD70:A9A2:A871:730C:2DAF 20:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Reminder to participate in the Ratification vote of UCoC Enforcement guideline

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Deprecation of 'scot*h'

Hi Mahir - you'd need to search through 19th and early 20th century literature to find any explicit published references (the period when the term disappeared from general use except for a very limited number of specific individual exceptions like Scotch whisky (Q382947)); but the term is widely viewed as offensive, and is never used for Ulmus glabra (Q147498) in the region (and is particularly not liked when imposed from outside the region, as in this case, from USA), so you can be sure that deprecation is reasonable. The works of Walter Scott (Q79025) may be a source for information. If I locate further specific details, I'll let you know. Hope this helps! - MPF (talk) 07:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion in important article

Please refer to the article "Gilbert Gottfried" because I can't edit [rowiki] write: This page is currently semi-protected and can be edited only by established registered users. AlexBTR (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Question about property proposals

Should properties be marked as "ready" a week after the proposal was made, even if there is no votes? Or is it a week after the first  Support vote has been cast?

Something else, yesterdays i created a property i had proposed and i'll like to apologize. It was a thoughtless action and i should just have waited for someone else rather than being so impatient. --Trade (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: If there are no oppose votes or other comments, then one week after the first support from an active user is fine--any oppose votes, comments, or votes from inactive/suspicious users should delay this until the concerns that are caused by them are addressed. And apology accepted :-) Mahir256 (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

শ্রুতি

বাংলা শব্দ আপলোড শুরু হয়েছে। আপাততঃ শ' দুইয়েক হয়েছে। আস্তে আস্তে করবো। এইবারের তালিকায় আগের থেকে একটু নিয়ে সংশয় হচ্ছে যেমন ঘোড়ারোগতে, ঘৃতপুরতে, ছত্রাকতে, জগতে (জগ থেকে), ঘুরঘুটতে, ঘোষণতে। এর মধ্যে একটা বোধহয় আপলোড হয়ে গেছে। এবার থেকে কয়েকটা বাদ দিয়ে যাচ্ছি। প্রতি হাজার খানেক বা তার বেশি আপলোড হলে এই পাতায় জানাব। --Titodutta (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Eliminacion de lexema : L673837

Hola el lexema esta en construcción , hay algún motivo especifico por el cual tenga que ser eliminado¿ muchas gracias --Drwho1972 (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

hola revise el error...tienes toda la razon a eliminarlo , no me habia percatado , gracias--Drwho1972 (talk) 17:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of Q77146121

Hiya, I know I'm not the brightest but I simply cannot figure out where it was requested that you delete the page Q77146121. I'm referencing it locally, it's (supposed to be) about the Independence Day holiday in Sierra Leone. Can you please undelete it? I'm not the creator but it looked legit to me. Hroptatyr (talk) 15:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hroptatyr: If you clicked on the "per request" link in the deletion summary, you would have seen that User:Tol nominated that item along with a bunch of other items in a single request. I have restored the item you requested, though. Mahir256 (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hroptatyr, sorry about that! The item's creator had also created very many non-notable items, so I nominated all of them for deletion. Some useful items (like Independence Day (Q77146121)) were also caught in the request. I'll try to improve filtering for useful items in bulk requests in the future. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Label in Bangla for Charlotte's Web

Is the label in Bangla for Charlotte's Web correct? 2600:1700:53F0:AD70:A9A2:A871:730C:2DAF 20:29, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Plasticity (physics)

এই পাতাটি অপসারণ করুন।ভুলক্রমে তৈরি পাতা Abdullah Al Noman (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

দেখলাম আপনি পুনঃনির্দেশ করে দিয়েছেন।আমি কিভাবে এটা করবো?Abdullah Al Noman (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@মো. আব্দুল্লাহ আল নোমান: Help:Merge দেখুন। Mahir256 (talk) 18:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Semantic issue re: script and alphabet

I've seen your edit summaries and I do agree that the language codes for Punjabi should just be on the language item - this is how I would prefer to model it, but had those edits reverted when I initially did so. Hopefully now that it's been re-reverted it will remain stable.

However, there are unresolved problems with treating alphabet and script as the same concept for Arabic-based writing systems. What I am trying to untangle is that at the moment, Wikidata's items for these writing systems tend to mirror their respective Wikipedia articles, however, these represent one-to-many item names for which a single article would be considered standard but for which a single name removes a distinction. Shahmukhi is a Punjabi descriptor for what is essentially writing Punjabi with the Urdu alphabet, with some small (and infrequently used) additions which can be considered part of the Shahmukhi alphabet, and the largest distinctions relating to how the alphabet represents the Punjabi language. For example, the fact that both ਨ and ਣ can be represented by ن, is a concept related to Shahmukhi. However, the fact that there are other languages such as Shina have made use of ݨ in writing, an addition included in the Shahmukhi alphabet, does not necessarily mean it makes sense to call writing in those languages writing in Shahmukhi as those languages do not have a reason to make the same phonetic assumptions made by Shahmukhi nor do they have a reason to describe the writing system in terms developed for describing written Punjabi. Modeling the alphabet and script separately makes it easier to describe writing systems which borrow from alphabets but which do not necessarily take after the scripts they are associated with. The Sindhi Perso-Arabic-based alphabet includes a more extensive set of modified characters, and such offers more extended characters to borrow for the Arabic-based orthographies of other languages. When the written form of a language borrows characters each from the Sindhi alphabet and the Shahmukhi alphabet each, it makes sense to associate these characters with their alphabets, but it does not make as much sense to say these languages are being written in both Sindhi and Shahmukhi since it is not necessarily including all the glyphs of either, nor is it replicating the phonetic associations of Shahmukhi. Examples of where this distinction can come up:

• The Saraiki alphabet includes characters from the Shahmukhi alphabet and the Sindhi alphabet. Saraiki can be described as having its own writing system and alphabet, the latter of which takes after two alphabets.

• Letters from the Shahmukhi alphabet are used to write Shina, but the Shina alphabet also includes characters such as ݜ, which it has in common with Khowar. It would make sense to model the Shina as being written using characters from the Shahmukhi alphabet, but less sense to model it as written using the Shahmukhi writing system.

• Writers have used characters from both the Shahmukhi alphabet and the Pashto alphabet to write Kalasha, but it would make less sense to model Kalasha as being written in Shahmukhi and Pashto.

As a side note also, I would say that it would be incorrect to use a locale code for Punjabi audio content as the audible distinctions in spoken Punjabi would not follow national borders. In practice, there is not even a practical way to make this distinction if one wanted to on many platforms. For example, I am working on a Shahmukhi Punjabi translation of an Android app at the moment, and even though this app is in the fortunate position of providing localization in-app rather than depending on a system locale, pa-PK is the only language code for Shahmukhi Punjabi recognized in the Android environment, so that is just what I have to use. If I wanted to use a different code to make some kind of distinction about script, or to reserve locale codes for something that actually pertains to country, that option is just never presented as large platforms like Android have no reason to wait for SIL or CLDR or whoever else to clarify their standard when they can just decide to use it the way they prefer. In practice, the locale ends up being used as short hand for textual differences, as these codes were designed to standardize (mis)use of textual information as far as it concerns industry (software). It would be more appropriate to model these codes with lists of which data consumers use which ones; for example, pnb is used by Wikimedia, pa-Arab is used by Mediafire, pa-PK is used by Android, etc. There's no technical reason why these all couldn't be contained to a single code, even with two scripts, but there seems to be a widespread misconception that because a language standard nominally exists, that language standard is used as documented by the proprietors of that standard.

--Middle river exports (talk) 22:23, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Probably does make sense to duplicate IETF codes on several items actually

In re-modeling the language codes for Punjabi (Q58635) and getting to the section on Microsoft-originating notions of Punjabi IETF codes, I've come across something interesting which doesn't really make sense under the model of keeping all language codes 'for' a language on the language item. I was aware that Microsoft uses several ad hoc codes for Punjabi within each of its products, including 3 options in the keyboard settings for example, but bizarrely they specifically use pnb as an alias for ar-SA, "Saudi Arabic," which is a code they use for one of multiple 'standard' Arabic keyboards, Arabic (101). The intent of this is presumably to allow Arabic speakers to type Punjabi Shahmukhi without using the Urdu keyboard layout (and apparently not using several letters used in Shahmukhi), but putting ar-SA as an IETF code for Punjabi or for Peninsular Arabic doesn't make much sense in either case because it's unclear what "written Saudi Arabic" even is or why pnb is aliased to it on Windows, but it does make sense to put that code on the item for the keyboard layout itself, and say that pnb is used by Microsoft for that keyboard layout. I have done this on the Arabic (101) (Q112882452) item.

IMO none of this has much to do with Arabic, but under the theory that IETF codes represent languages and/or writing systems, I would have to put this information on the Arabic item too. This seems a bit pointless though as the use of these language codes in practice does not follow this idealized notion of them. Restricting the use of the IETF code property however means placing hypothetical and unused codes on language items that will never be referenceable beyond the primary source itself, and keeping documentable + referenceable uses of the codes hidden from data consumers. --Middle river exports (talk) 01:19, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Note re: फ़अल vs. फ़ेल

I was double checking to be sure, but फ़अल and फ़ेल are spellings for different words -- I think फ़अल is correct for फेल/فعل (L689757). It's a Persian loan word that seems to be used much more often in formal writing in Pakistan than in India. I've been adding the chain of derived words because the Shahmukhi dictionary Waddi Punjabi Lughat (Q113450202) uses this loan word under the entries for verbs. फ़ेल would be فیل, a different word. See for example these sources [1] (at bottom of page 56), [2] (in body of article about a Persian writer) Middle river exports (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

P31

Hello! What is the purpose of deleting P31 from proverbs (lexemes) I added? What is wrong with it? Kind regards Gower (talk) 04:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Gower: Unless you are planning to add a source for the lexical category, there is no need to duplicate it as a P31. (See, for example, how I opted to retain the P31 at schopáci s dopadem (L348843).) You can, however, add something more specific than the lexical category as a P31. Mahir256 (talk) 04:16, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

WikiConference India 2023: Program submissions and Scholarships form are now open

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উইকিউপাত্তে সম্পাদনা সম্পর্কে প্রশ্ন

মাহির ভাই, উইকিউপাত্তে সম্পাদনা করার জন্য একটা স্ক্রিপ্ট সহযোগিতা লাগত? এখানেই কি বলবো! নাকি অফ-উইকি আলাপ করবেন? মোহাম্মদ মারুফ (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Nstab-main/bn

দয়া করে "আইটেম" লিখে পাতাটি তৈরি করে দিন। বর্তমানে বাংলায় 'পাতা' লেখা আসে। আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 01:35, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@আফতাবুজ্জামান:  Done Mahir256 (talk) 01:36, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

আরও দুটি:

• MediaWiki:Tooltip-ca-nstab-main/bn "আইটেমটি দেখুন"
• MediaWiki:Randompage/bn "অজানা যেকোনো আইটেম"

আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 02:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

আরেকটি প্রশ্ন, লেক্সিমে form ও sense কে বাংলায় কী বলা হয়? (form সম্ভবত "রূপ"?) নইলে এটা অনুবাদে প্যাঁচ লেগে যাচ্ছে। আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 02:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@আফতাবুজ্জামান:  Done "শব্দরূপ" ও "শব্দার্থ" কেমন হয়? Mahir256 (talk) 02:35, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

আমি আলোচনাটি প্রকল্প আড্ডায় নিলাম। আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 02:43, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

না কি আপনার এখানেই করব না বাংলা উইকির পরিভাষাসভায় নিব? আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 02:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing Benezit Dictionary of Artists id's

I don't agree with your bot removing Benezit id's. Please restore the links. Where did you discuss this by the way? Multichill (talk) 17:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your bot. I don't think it is making the correct changes. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:09, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I blocked the bot for now to prevent more damage. Multichill (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: Did any of the changes point to an incorrect article not corresponding with the ID present? Mahir256 (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

it is taking away the id # and the stated in title. I am reverting WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: Does the item Friedlaender von Malheim, Camilla (Q104082404) not correspond with the ID "B00068345", though? Is it not enough that the item for the person Camilla Friedländer (Q26202496) already has a Benezit ID statement and that Q104082404 refers to the same article that the Benezit ID points to? Mahir256 (talk) 18:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes is does point to the correct article, but you have not improved the Wikidata entry. You are DEGRADING the entries. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: Although I disagree that I'm 'degrading' the items for the Benezit articles by doing nothing to them, I will agree that improvements to them are definitely in order. If there were a statement Friedlaender von Malheim, Camilla (Q104082404) main subject (P921) Camilla Friedländer (Q26202496), would that help? Mahir256 (talk) 18:30, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I am losing track of what is going on here. Louis Chervin has two wikidata entries Q20981233 and Q104021277. Q104021277 is a bot created entry about an article Chervinin, Louis in the Benezit Dictionary of Artists. Q20981233 is an entry about the artist Louis Chervin, which has the property Benezit ID (P2843). My concern is that a new bot is making a mess of property Benezit ID (P2843). Please just stop making changes to property Benezit ID (P2843) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Multichill: The bot was most certainly not 'removing Benezit IDs': there are items for articles, and I was adjusting references to point to them. Mahir256 (talk) 18:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

The items like Q104021277 are useless cruft and just redundant data duplication created just to get a high edit count. Completely useless to link to them, but it's more work to get them deleted. In your edit you remove the Benezit ID (P2843) link and replace it with the item. It would be fine if you just add the item, but by removing the Benezit ID (P2843) link you make it harder to get to the source. Multichill (talk) 18:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Multichill: Take up the issue of cruft with @GZWDer: who created it, then. I'm amazed that there wasn't already an attempt to get all that deleted if it's so problematic in the first place. Mahir256 (talk) 18:27, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Related discussion can be found at (may be incomplete):

• Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Chemistry/Archive/2022#RFD:_delete_IUPAC_GOLDBOOK_entities_"scholarly_article"
• Wikidata:Bot_requests/Archive/2021/01#Admin bot for deletion of 100k non-notable items and linked discussion

--GZWDer (talk) 18:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I nominated one of the items for deletion, see Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q104021277 (and bot is unblocked, no point on leaving that). Multichill (talk) 18:34, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Why was this deleted

See https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Lexeme_talk%3AL745327#Why_was_this_deleted? FredrikLindseth (talk) 18:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Request

Hello.

In the Wikidata page of UTC+04:00 (Q6779), can you add the labels Azerbaijan Time, Georgia Time and Armenia Time? These three countries also use UTC+04:00 and do not use daylight saving time. Because that page is semi-protected, I cannot add them myself.

Yours sincerely, 31.200.18.180 06:59, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Thematic relations

Thank you for keeping this place tidy!

Since you have written Wikidata:Lexicographical data/Thematic relations, I wonder if you by chance have an answer to my question at Wikidata talk:Lexicographical data/Thematic relations#Comparing relations? I briefly looked through your referenced articles (the ones I had access to) and found the graph from which I believe the relations available with has thematic relation (P9971) were fetched, but the article didn't go into detail explaining the different relations.

If you agree it's a good idea, I could begin preparing a table or similar to serve as a guide to thematic relations, but I'm not able to fill it with all the answers. I'd also be interested in finding a qualifier to use with item for this sense (P5137) in order to make best possible use of available items to multiple senses/lexemes (such as water/rain/wet, air/blow/wind, fire/burn/heat etc). --SM5POR (talk) 09:31, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Please for a check

On November 3, 2022 you deleted the data object Havelka (Q5683556) with the reason that it was an empty data object. Could you please check if this data object, before it was emptied, contained the sitelinks added by user Darwinek on July 21, 2022 to data object Havelka (Q21496619)? If that were the case, then I would ask for the data item to be restored because the data item would then be relevant to Wikidata as a Wikimedia term. --Gymnicus (talk) 19:29, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gymnicus: The item does in fact contain those shifted sitelinks, but because the linked Wikipedia pages described only a surname, rather than being general disambiguation pages, I found the movement of those links to be warranted, and since the item was a disambiguation page item that just lost all of its links, I found it appropriate to delete it. Mahir256 (talk) 19:32, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I am of course aware that there are differences between the different Wikipedia language versions in dealing with - let's call it - surname lists. Nevertheless, it is the case that the German sitelink is clearly a disambiguation page and I think this should also be marked here in Wikidata. Therefore I would ask for the restoration of the data object Havelka (Q5683556). --Gymnicus (talk) 19:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gymnicus: Very well then. Mahir256 (talk) 19:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you --Gymnicus (talk) 20:04, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

International Mother Language day 2023 Datathon

Dear Wikimedian,

Hope you are doing well. CIS-A2K is going to organise International Mother Language day 2023 Datathon on the occasion of and to celebrate International Mother language Day. The datathon will be from 21st February to 28 February 2023. During the week, we will contribute to Wikidata to add labels, descriptions, Aliases, items or properties and references to the statements. You can go through the given page link, add yourself and become a part of the event. During the datathon, we will finalise a day and organise a one or two-hour online session with a Wikidata expert to learn advanced tactics. Regards MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:51, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Coverage page for Odia language

Regarding, https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Lexicographical_coverage&oldid=prev&diff=1845033725 How to add Odia language support to the page? Is this GitHub PR enough? or Can you please guide me on who can help on this? Thanks a lot. Soumendrak (talk) 10:24, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mahir256 Can you please add Odia language to https://hangor.toolforge.org/ ? -Soumendrak (talk) 18:51, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Soumendrak: There is some basic support for viewing Odia words: see for example https://hangor.toolforge.org/lex/or/ମଧ୍ୟମ . Mahir256 (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

category still exists?

Hey Mahir, you have now undone a second one of my edits [3] regarding inexistent sitelinks, and I can understand why you did this. The problem here is that there is some trickery going on on zhwiki, since the sitelink I have removed does indeed not exist as a page on zhwiki---not even as a redirect---but it does redirect to an existing page. In this example, the third character is different [4], and "Category:明朝魯山縣知縣" is indeed the correct sitelink to use.

Problem is: I don't understand at this point what's going on at zhwiki. Any idea? Or do you happen to know someone who could help? ---MisterSynergy (talk) 22:03, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Kingsley (Q246596), Villeneuve (Q232726), Slag (Q243076), Olympias (Q236942), Angus (Q234103) and many more

Hi Mahir256!

Why are you removing en masse Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) from regular disambiguation pages? Wikimedia human name disambiguation page (Q22808320) does not belong there if it is not just about the names of people and there are other terms (Media, Places, Sports, etc.) on the pages of the interwiki links. Please undo all your changes. Best regards --HarryNº2 (talk) 12:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

erdict / jdict

I think you made a mistake deleting my "jmdictdb" statement, unless the property is deprecated. It generated a correct link to https://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/entr.py?svc=jmdict&sid=&q=1297760 (although my first attempt was indeed wrong, maybe that’s the misunderstanding).

Or is there something I don’t get ? author  TomT0m / talk page 16:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@TomT0m: It is deprecated, see Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P6646. Mahir256 (talk) 16:11, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

L1101735

Mahid, I have been working to create this person page but you have deleted it while creation. If you're destroying my work before it's even made, please do it yourself. Here is the author's page on pl. wikisource => Autor:Jerzy_Szlichtyng. Link it to Wikidata, please. I also want to write a Wikipedia article about this outstanding 17th-century Polish poet, but I probably won't make it before you delete him again. Wieralee (talk) 15:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wieralee: Please check that you are creating something in the right namespace: lexemes are for words and language elements, while items are for concepts. Here's Jerzy Szlichtyng (Q118146682) if you want to improve that. Mahir256 (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Nuria2701

You detected errors by Nuria2701. I detected more errors where a person died before they were born, which means there will be more undetected ones caused by the improper additions of a death/birth dates caused by poor matching using http://aa.xtraz.net as a source. See: Wikidata:Database reports/items with P569 greater than P570 I have fixed most of the errors, but left some in place as examples. How can we detect their errors that may have slipped by, that didn't trigger one of the error detection alarms? --RAN (talk) 01:05, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

লেবেল যোগ প্রসঙ্গে

মাহির ভাই, আপনি বেশ কয়েকটি আইটেমে দেখলাম একই লেবেল যোগ করেছেন, যদিও আইটেমগুলো ভিন্ন ভিন্ন! যেমন Batch #8499। কিন্তু ভিন্ন নিবন্ধে লেবেল একই হলে তো পরবর্তীতে সমস্যা হয়! যেমন Description যোগ করা যায় না।🤔 মোহাম্মদ মারুফ (talk) 01:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Create Property for woordenlijst.org

Mahir256 could I trouble you to create a property for woordenlijst.org.

This would be similar to the https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P8376 property.

This would be an identifier of a lexeme in woordenlijst.org.

Here is the link that would be applied to laken: https://woordenlijst.org/#/?q=laken

Thank you for any help you can give me in this

Allen Morris Gam3 (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gam3: I cannot create such a property just because one asks; you will need to propose it at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Lexemes first. Mahir256 (talk) 18:48, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Great I will do that - Thanks for your help Gam3 (talk) 18:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Would you take a look at this proposal and creating it if it is eligible? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Lexemes#Word_list_of_the_Dutch_language Gam3 (talk) 10:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Need your input on a policy impacting gadgets and UserJS

Dear interface administrator,

This is Samuel from the Security team and I hope my message finds you well.

There is an ongoing discussion on a proposed policy governing the use of external resources in gadgets and UserJS. The proposed Third-party resources policy aims at making the UserJS and Gadgets landscape a bit safer by encouraging best practices around external resources. After an initial non-public conversation with a small number of interface admins and staff, we've launched a much larger, public consultation to get a wider pool of feedback for improving the policy proposal. Based on the ideas received so far, the proposed policy now includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, best practices for gadgets and UserJS developers, and exemptions requirements such as code transparency and inspectability.

As an interface administrator, your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on the policy talk page.

Have a great day!

Samuel (WMF), on behalf of the Foundation's Security team 12:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

orchestration (P11862)

Hi Mahir,

orchestration in notated form systems also exist in them French and German language, and possibly in even more. This wasn't noticed and grossly overlooked before this item was created. Please be so kind to undo your revert on my clarification.-- U. M. Owen (talk) 17:04, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@U. M. Owen: You do raise an interesting point, but specifying that the property should only refer to a specific orchestration (who's Chester Novello?) is something you should first discuss with @AdamSeattle: rather than myself. Mahir256 (talk) 17:08, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

w:Shorthand_for_orchestra_instrumentation lists Chester Novello and Boosey & Hawkes, which are music publishers.--U. M. Owen (talk) 17:10, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

The property was intended for use with any orchestration enumeration, and not all sources use a shorthand. For example, the Australian Music Centre lists instruments in their spelled out forms. Example: Solo bassoon, 2 flutes, 2 oboes, 2 clarinets in B flat, 2 bassoons, 2 horns in F, 2 trumpets in B flat, bass trombone, tuba, percussion (1 player), strings. If the specific type of notation needs to be specified, it can be given as a qualifier. But the link to the source will take someone to where any abbreviations can be explained. The original proposal includes examples from Boosey & Hawkes as well as from Wise Classical Music (and others as well), so changing the name to Chester Novello was completely wrong and rendered numerous uses of the property in items incorrect. If the scope of a property is going to be significantly narrowed, it needs to be discussed first. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@AdamSeattle: I'm sorry if I'd introduced errors. I was mostly concerned about internationalization and localization (Q41271) and with my limited knowledge identified the examples as Chester Novello rather than Boosey & Hawkes.--U. M. Owen (talk) 17:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@U. M. Owen: The data type of the property is "string", so any notation in any language can be given in a statement. If you have an example that's not in English, we can add one to the property. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:54, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Announcement of Train the Trainer 2023 and Call for Scholarship

Dear all,

We are excited to announce the reactivation of the Train the Trainer (TTT) initiative by CIS-A2K in 2023. TTT aims to empower Indian Wikimedians like you with essential skills to support Wikimedia communities effectively. Through this program, we seek to enhance your capacity, encourage knowledge sharing, identify growth opportunities, and enable a positive impact on the communities you serve. The scholarship application period is from ‘‘‘1st to 14th August 2023’’’. Unfortunately, we regretfully cannot consider applications from non-Indian Wikimedians due to logistical and compliance-related constraints. The event is scheduled for the end of September or the beginning of October 2023, and final dates and venue details will be announced soon. We encourage your active participation in TTT 2023 and welcome you to apply for scholarships via the provided form.

For inquiries, please contact us at a2K@cis-india.org or nitesh@cis-india.org. We look forward to your enthusiastic involvement in making Train the Trainer 2023 a resounding success!

Regards MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:08, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of source

What is the reason for deleting Admiralty List of Lights and Fog Signals (Q2924826) as a source as you did in Batch #211660? /ℇsquilo 07:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

• @Esquilo: The reason is given in the batch summary ("where Admiralty number (P3562) [is] present") but more generally: for almost all identifier properties, if there is a applicable 'stated in' value (P9073) statement on the property, and that identifier is present on an item, it can be readily inferred that the value of that applicable 'stated in' value (P9073) statement describes the item, and that there is no need to restate this using described by source (P1343) explicitly on that item. This is why you typically do not see "described by source: IMDb" or "described by source: VIAF" or "described by source: The Peerage" on millions of items; the presence of the identifier properties for those sources is enough. (Now, if an item did not have an identifier in one of those sources but was still described by the value of a P9073 statement, then the P1343 statement would still be valuable--and you can verify that no item similarly characterized was affected by that batch. Additionally, if there were more information on the P1343 statement such as qualifiers or references that clarify how an item was described, then those might also make the statement valuable--and you can verify that each statement so removed by that batch had no qualifiers or references.) Mahir256 (talk) 14:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. Will you do the same thing with NGA List of Lights, Radio Aids and Fog Signals (Q13872896) for object that have NGA lighthouse ID (P3563)? /ℇsquilo 05:56, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@Esquilo: I shall do this soon. Mahir256 (talk) 13:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Administrative territorial entities in Ireland

Hi Mahir256, administrative territorial entities, i.e. located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), are in Ireland territories with a governing council. With few exceptions like Dublin city these are the counties. Townlands are an entity unique to Ireland of which we have 62,205 (including Northern Ireland). Just a minority of them exist at Wikidata. NIAH always uses geographical specifications, i.e. the townland, the street address, if any, and the geographical(!) county. Hence, changes like this one (executed within a batch) do not appear to be correct. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 20:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Use of Lexicographical data

Thank you for your active assistance in editing the proposal for Ordbok över Finlands svenska folkmål ID (P12032) and taking the ID into use for Lexemes that I had previously marked with described by source (P1343). As you are active with lexemes, I'm curious, do you happen to know any current Wiki or non-Wiki projects that make use of Lexicographical data? I'm interested in knowing how the potential is being used, or could be used. Are you using it yourself for soething? Thanks for any thoughts on this! Robert (talk) 13:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

2a0d:5600:9:127::/64

Thanks for anti-vandalism, and please notice that 2a0d:5600:9:127::/64 is continuing on their talk page. Yumeto (talk) 05:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Mahir256,

I hope you are doing well,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King's College London, and I am working on a project as part of my PhD research, in which I have developed a personalised recommender model that suggests Wikidata items for the editors based on their past edits. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our model based on your previous edits.

Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published in a research venue.

The experiment should take no more than 15 minutes, and it will be held next week.

If you agree to participate in this study, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfA1wfdBfCRlcG3WhDyc-V8lzgPNx3fDFCNXkyn4CSwahXZ_A/viewform?usp=sf_link

Then, I will contact you with the link to start the study.

For more information about my project, please read this post: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Kholoudsaa

In case you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me through my mentioned email.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 22:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L1194979

can you edit link. I want it undelete. 199.119.235.163 04:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata:Eleventh Birthday/Bangladesh

ভাই, বাংলাদেশ সম্পর্কিত যে সকল আইটেমগুলির বাংলা এবং ইংরেজি লেবেল অনুপস্থিত সেগুলির আলাদা তালিকা করে দিতে পারবেন? যে কারণে প্রয়োজন তা এখানে দেখুন। গতবার এভাবে করেছিলেন। আপনার সুবিধামতো বাংলাদেশের বিভাগ অনুযায়ী, বিষয় অনুযায়ী বা অন্য যে কোন পদ্ধতিতে তালিকা বানাতে পারেন। অথবা আমাকে দিকনির্দেশনা দিলে আমি হয়তো বানাতে পারবো। ধন্যবাদ। ~Moheen ^{(keep talking)} 16:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata Eleventh Birthday - India Datathon

Greetings Mahir256/Archive 4!

As part of Wikidata's 11th birthday celebration a 11 days long datathon is planned from October 26, 2023 00:00 to November 5, 2023, 23:59 (both times Indian Standard Time) to improve the India related data in Wikidata. The data-thon aims to enhance Wikidata items by incorporating labels and descriptions in your native language, along with the addition of references, qualifiers, and statements. Additionally, it encourages the utilization of India-related properties within these items, ultimately contributing to the improvement of structured data in Wikidata.

Please have a look at the event page and and join the datathon by adding your name in the participant's section at here.

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