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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Harmonia Amanda/Archive 1 on 2015-08-10.

Mahir256 (talkcontribs)
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Matching one id to multiple items with OpenRefine

Pintoch (talkcontribs)


I have stumbled upon

In short, yes you can do that with OpenRefine. I haven't seen your dataset but intuitively this should be doable simply by doing the reconciliation in two columns, so that each id can be matched to one or two items. Just let me know if you need a hand!

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

Good to know! I'll try to configure it this evening. Do you have an example at hand? It would help me.

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

If you have not used OpenRefine yet you might want to start with generic tutorials for simple cases (I wrote some at Wikidata:Tools/OpenRefine/Editing).

For your own case, again I would need to see what your data looks like - otherwise I cannot give any precise indications. Is your dataset available anywhere, ideally in the form of a table or spreadsheet?

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)
Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

Hello @Harmonia Amanda - hope you had nice summer vacations :)

just tell me to get out if I'm wrong, but would those case not be a typical "Bonnie and Clyde" ?

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

If it were Wikipedia articles and we were obligated to create an entry for each ISU identifier, then yes. But we are not under obligations to follow the ISU way, and these IDs are widely used is the figure skating world for individuals. They are the key to find who participated to which competitions (and with whom). The ISU create a new entry each time something significant change for a skater. So people changing their sport country, passing from junior to senior, marrying and changing their names, etc., all of this warrant a new ISU IDs. So I'm not really that keen on following their modeling ^^

Hsarrazin (talkcontribs)

I see :D

good luck with your matching...^^

Pintoch (talkcontribs)

Great! Yes I think this should work. Happy to have a look at the spreadsheet.

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Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Before undoing other users contributions, please open a discussion on the relevant project.

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

I let you a message just before yours.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

My user page is n0t the relevant project .. please undo your changes and speedy deletions.

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

You didn't create a discussion before creating an item outside of the project scope (since we don't accept items in lieu of queries when queries would be the relevant way to deal with things), so no, I didn't think it necessitated a discussion there. You are welcome to start one and I'll participate.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Ok. I will undo it your place then.

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

please justify before your need for this item. If there is a use I missed, wich was not obvious, I'll gladly undo it myself (and use this item on all relevant names, and not just half ot it). Right now, it seems very obviously out of scope. I may be wrong about that but i would like an explanation please.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

There is no requirement to discuss items before creating them.

Please restore Q56228301. If you think an item should be deleted, please use the relevant page.

I will open a discussion on WikiProject Names later this week.

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)
Jura1 (talkcontribs)

If you want it to be discussed there, you need to restore it.

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

No, I agree, we don't usually discuss creation of new items. And when they are out of scope, they are speedy deleted. And sometimes that is contested and then it's discussed.

I honestly thought you created this item because you didn't know how to write the relevant query, so in my mind, writing the query solved yours needs and suppressed any need for the item.

It seems like you have a specific need you have not yet stated clearly which necessitate an item instead of a query. I can't imagine what but I'll be glad to learn.

It seemed a very clear cut case of a test item created because someone didn't know SPARQL. I didn't think it was controversial. I have no problem discussing it now that you are saying it is.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

So when are you going to undelete it?

Jura1 (talkcontribs)
Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

I undeleted as soon as I had back Internet access and re-opened the request.

Jura1 (talkcontribs)

There is an open question for you in the discussion.

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Thierry Caro (talkcontribs)

Bonjour. Aurais-tu l'occasion de créer des propriétés qui attendent de l'être depuis quelques jours ? Je suis l'auteur de la proposition et je ne peux donc pas le faire moi-même. Il y a par exemple Wikidata:Property proposal/Academia URL, Wikidata:Property proposal/Index of Historic Collectors and Dealers of Cubism ID, Wikidata:Property proposal/National Medal of Arts ID, Wikidata:Property proposal/PAM ID, Wikidata:Property proposal/So Foot ID et Wikidata:Property proposal/TPA ID. Je n'entends pas que tu te tapes l'ensemble du remplissage à faire. J'ai juste besoin que tu appuies sur le bouton de création, à charge pour moi de compléter tout le reste dans les minutes qui suivent. Peux-tu voir ?

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

Je regarde ça.

Thierry Caro (talkcontribs)

Merci beaucoup. C'est excellent. (Je prends les deux autres quand tu auras le temps.)

Thierry Caro (talkcontribs)

Salut. Je reviens vers toi parce que Category:Properties ready for creation s'est à nouveau remplie. Je vais m'occuper de certaines propositions parmi celles que je n'ai pas avancées, mais il y a en revanche Wikidata:Property proposal/Angelicum ID, Wikidata:Property proposal/PUSC ID, Wikidata:Property proposal/Historic Hotels of America ID et Wikidata:Property proposal/Voetbalstats ID pour lesquelles je vais devoir compter sur des tiers pour une création, donc peut-être toi ! La dernière est à la demande d'un contributeur de Wikipédia. Peux-tu voir, éventuellement ?

Thierry Caro (talkcontribs)
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Structured Data Newsletter - Research link fix

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The newsletter omitted two interwiki prefixes, breaking the links on non-meta wikis as you might see above. Here are the correct links:

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Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Summer 2018

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José - differentiating between Spanish and Portuguese

Moebeus (talkcontribs)

Hi there! You told me I could ask questions, so here goes ;-) In the description of José Q2190619 it says: (male given name (use Q29043257 for Spanish and Q29043256 for Portuguese). This gets a bit messed up when compound names like Francisco José Q47484032 has both Portuguese and Spanish set as languages, but uses the Portuguese José (Q29043256 ). What is the thinking here? And doesn't mixing them cause problems with properties like Soundex and Caverphone? What about the etymology?

For a clearer example, there is the last name Falla Q20519159. This is a family name in both Spain and Norway, but they are only *spelled* the same way - they don't share pronunciation, etymology or much anything else. Wouldn't names like these be better kept as separate entities?

Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

I don't understand at all the thinking there. The majority of the Names project agree that all three "José" should be merged together, in line with all the other names but a contributor is really intent in keeping them separated, even though it doesn't really make sense. I only use the generic "José" and know of no one using the specialized ones.

Soundex and Caverphone are based on writing, deducing a pronunciation as it would be said in English. It doesn't indicate the real pronunciation.

The idea of the project is that in most cases we can't know if someone use the name "Falla" as the Norwegian or Spanish name (and for many names you'll also have Spanish immigrants to Norway, or the reverse, or cases like these muddling the waters). Everything depend on context and context is something we can't really have for all entries in our database. We can know how it's written and we use that. Everything more specific go to the person/family item.

For etymology, we can use based on (P144), and we can precise with applies to part (P518) for the language. We precise the same way IPA transcription (P898) with qualifiers.

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Horcrux (talkcontribs)

Hello! Please, when you remove the statement "instance of (P31) Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410)", could you fix better the item?
For example, here it remained to fix the descriptions and move one of the sitelinks to the relative DAB item.

I've been observing your behaviour for a long time and I noticed that you often leave a lot of backlog behind you.


Harmonia Amanda (talkcontribs)

I usually verify these things, but this time there was a wrong merge a few days before. I didn't spot the wrong merge because I was working on wrong disambiguation pages and it looked like all the others I fixed that day while it was a totally different case. (And the merge should have been undone instead of the wrong P31 deleted, which would have also fixed the descriptions).

Since I quite literally spend more than half my time here fixing wrong descriptions, I really don't think I leave "a lot of backlog". I can decide not to fix some items manually when I know that a few days later I'll use a script, which I do regularly for names, but more than half my work is actually in fixing these issues.

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Милан Јелисавчић (talkcontribs)
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