User talk:Epìdosis/Archive/2015

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Specifying a Spartan King

Recently, I tried to add information to try and clarify that Ariston of Sparta (Q1266372) was not only a Spartan king but he was a member of the Eurypotid line of Spartan Kings. So I tried to add a qualifier to that effect. You reverted my qualifier. I have two questions. Is it appropriate to include in wikidata such a qualifier and, if so, how can I do it that meets the wikidata requirements?

Thanks --Chewings72 (talk) 05:06, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Chewings72: In my opinion it's better to use family (P53): I added it. --Epìdosis 05:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. --Chewings72 (talk) 06:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Bandolo da sbrogliare

Qui è stato impropriamente unito un elemento riferito ad un'opera di Camus con uno riferito ad un'opera di Checov. Vedo che hai cancellato l'elemento originario; andrebbe recuperato e Q1193723 riportato alla versione prefusione. Ciao. --AttoRenato (talk) 09:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done. --Epìdosis 10:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Deleting redirects

Hi! Please don't delete redirects! I have restored the following, Q17024069 Q11632796 Q17191461 Q12491934 Q12334615 Q15825920 Q12104623 Q12807680. These are double redirects and will be fixed by bots. ·addshore· talk to me! 17:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

In addition to this, please do not delete items which could be redirected! (NB: Wikidata:Requests for comment/Redirect vs. deletion) Jared Preston (talk) 11:58, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@Jared Preston: But "Deleting is however appropriate if an item has not been existed longer than 24 hours and if it's clear that it's not in use elsewhere". --Epìdosis 12:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
You could have still merged the items. Besides, I think it was addshore (above) who has a bot to undelete such items which have been deleted and merged in the past. I think these would be detected. Anyway, just wanted to let you know. Jared Preston (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Grazie

Stavo diventando matto, non riuscivo a collegarlo con la nuova interfaccia, e per un baco mi impediva di collegarlo anche se già isoltao, da it.wiki.--Alexmar983 (talk) 18:11, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Non credo che scriverò a quella lingua indiana, credo che l'elemento collegato alle altre wiki principali sia migliore di quello che rra collegato a it.wiki, devo fare un po' di pulizia.--Alexmar983 (talk) 18:13, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

pl.wikiquote

At this moment I try to remove all unnecessary interwiki links from articles and I do not have too much time to help you :( Zero (talk) 22:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Nuovi admin it-N

Ciao, non sto molto su wiki in queste settimane ma devo togliermi una pulce nell'orecchio (o tarlo in testa) che ho da tempo. Mi è rivenuta fuori oggi quando ho letto it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Link ad altre Wikipedie e ho pensato che sarebbe finita col solito blocco per Xin e che l'unico che poteva offrire un ponte eri tu che ci lavoravi alle voci di storia antica.

Ho scorso saltando tutto fino all'ultimo intervento e ne ha avuto conferma.

Il che mi porta a dire come penso da mesi che ci vogliono più sysop it-N su meta attivi su itwiki, altrimenti la situazione nella quotidianeità si sanerà troppo lentamente. Il punto è che alcuni non sono attivi su itwiki (Mushroom), altri lo sono poco e a sprazzi, spesso con profili troppo tecnici. Ci vogliono nuovi candidati it-N o presenti su itwiki o con una buona attività di voci "vere", a mio avviso. E poi in generale da quanto è che non ne eleggiamo un sysop it-N qui su data?

Io vedo le seguenti alternative:

  1. chiediamo a un amministratore attivo su itwiki e non ignorante di wikidata di diventare sysop qui (es: Horcrux92)
  2. chiediamo a qualcuno attivo su itwiki e molto attivo su wikidata di diventare sysop qui (es: Marcol-it).
  3. prendiamo it-N con flag intermedi e chiediamo loro di candidarsi al flag più avanzato (a memoria mi ricordo Viscontino, fra i rollbacker non mi viene in mente nessuno)

Secondo te potrebbe funzionare? In ordine di efficacia, la (3) non migliora il problema di percezione su itwiki, la (1) dipende da chi scegli, la (2) forse sarebbe la migliore. L'ipotesi Marcol-it in particolare non mi dispiace, è attivo soprattutto in quelle voci letterarie affini ai "vecchietti ostici" alla Xin, anche se non so quanto sia "maturo" qui su data.

Bon, io te l'ho detto. Comunque: se avessi un buon candidato secondo me sarebbe "ora" di "tirarlo fuori".--Alexmar983 (talk) 13:26, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Marcol-it secondo me è l'ipotesi migliore, ma in passato ha già rifiutato il flag; oltretutto ora che gli elementi non si cancellano più, ma si usano i redirect, un amministratore o è un utente che fa patrolling qui su Wikidata (io lo faccio ogni tanto coi nuovi elementi) o serve a poco o nulla. @Alexmar983: cosa ne pensi? --Epìdosis 13:46, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
ah non sapevo questa cosa della vecchis candidatura/proposta... ma la creazione proprietà non è anche quella funzione di admin che potrebbe rivelarsi utile? in ogni caso secondo c'è bisogno di qualcuno il più addentro possibile wikidata che giri spesso su itwiki. Io mi baso a contributi ovviamente, ma se non fosse un Horcrux92 anche un Incola secondo me sarebbe utile. Ci vogliono più "elementi di contatto", e a mio avviso avere un po' più di funzioni è anche un modo di aumentare il "contatto produttivo". --Alexmar983 (talk) 13:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Isolated articles in different languages

For your information Agata = Agatha, no matter what language. If you want to have different groups of same things accessible for only a part of countries then continue this policy. Otherwise think about it.

For example Agatha has no link to its French or German contemporary. They have their own isolated group. Is it as it should be? DavidSB (talk) 17:29, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Names. I've read Wikidata:WikiProject Names and I think Agata and Agatha should be kept separated. Can someone from the project advise us? --Epìdosis 18:35, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I commented on Talk:Q221396 --- Jura 18:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Children of Pyrrhus

I can see only 3 sons in Plutarch's "The Life of Pyrrhus": He took to wife, namely, a daughter of Autoleon, king of the Paeonians; Bircenna, the daughter of Bardyllis the Illyrian; and Lanassa, the daughter of Agathocles of Syracuse, who brought him as her dowry the city of Corcyra, which had been captured by Agathocles. By Antigone he had a son Ptolemy, Alexander by Lanassa, and Helenus, his youngest son, by Bircenna. [1] Am I wrong? --Ghuron (talk) 08:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Ghuron: Olympias II is cited by Justin (book 28) as daughter of Pyrrhus I. --Epìdosis 10:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Willow Creek

Ciao! Ho annullato questo tuo edit perché la pagina era da collegare altrove. Buon lavoro! ;-) Sanremofilo (talk) 16:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Q2870087

What was the problem with P279:Q201788 there? --Ghuron (talk) 13:55, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

@Ghuron: I had to remove some links entitled "Attidography" ... now the item only contain links entitled "Attidographer", so I restored P279:Q201788. --Epìdosis 14:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Aristokrates

What was the reason for this revert? (and the similar one on Q4581536?) Foxj (talk) 20:33, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I ask because my edits merged the two which were obviously the same thing, and now are two different things again for no apparent reason. Foxj (talk) 20:34, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
@Foxj: No: Aristocrates of Athens (Q4581536) is about Aristocrates which lived 4th century BCE and was attacked by Demosthenes, while Aristocrates of Athens (Q666644) is about Aristocrates which lived 5th century BCE and was sentenced to death in 406 BCE. See PA 1897 and PA 1904. --Epìdosis 21:18, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Proposed meter properties

Hi Epìdosis. Thanks for your response. I'm beginning to try to put together more notes on quantitative scansion, with a view to making sure the system will be as universally usable as possible. I don't care that much what the system is, just that any choices are made with as much information as possible. When I have something together, shall I post it in the discussion at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#quantitative metrical pattern? (The notes may be rather long -- I'll be trying to account for multiple prosodies, as well as going into what symbols are likely/not likely to render.) I ask because I'm new to Wikidata, and I don't know if maybe this page is really chiefly for "support/oppose" and details of implementation should be worked out elsewhere ... or if at this point ALL details belong there. I'm equally happy to put them elsewhere, or on my own user subpage ... whatever is appropriate. Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Phil wink: Probably it would be better to put them in an user subpage and link this subpage at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#quantitative metrical pattern. Thank you, --Epìdosis 12:37, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi again. I'm going to try to get more work done before I link at the property discussion, but since you've already noticed it, maybe you can give me some counsel: There's a scheme I'm thinking of -- but I don't know enough about the mechanics of Wikidata to know whether it makes perfect sense, or is impossible, or what. The idea is to have the underlying value contain a relatively abstract metrical code, richly meaningful to a computer, but perhas not terribly readable to a human. But running this single underlying value through one template or another would produce (through automated, explicit rules) a variety of human-readable scansions. This would be somewhat analogous to the many parallel language values WD already implements, but instead of being entered individually, they'd be generated automatically. For example, the underlying value of "elegiac couplet" might be:
- w | - w | - \ W | - \ w | - u u | - x ! - w | - w | - ^ ^ | / - u u | - u u | - ^ ^ | #
Note that this contains only easily typed characters. A "simplified Greek/Latin" template might render this code as:
– ∪ ∪ – ∪ ∪ – ∪ ∪ – ∪ ∪ – ∪ ∪ – ∪ ×
– ∪ ∪ – ∪ ∪ – | – ∪ ∪ – ∪ ∪ –
Which necessarily contains hard-to-type characters + formatting. (This is preliminary work of course.) The disadvantages are obvious. The advantages are that 1 underlying code can be output in, say, 1) simplified G/L, 2) complex G/L, 3) alphabetic Sanskrit, 4) symbolic Sanskrit (with breve & longum reversed), 5) symbolic Arabic (RTL), 6) symbolic Arabic (LTR)... and more...
So the question is: is this beyond all reason? or is this precisely what Wikidata is meant to do? (or something in between!) Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 16:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
@Phil wink: I think it isn't impossible, but it would probably require a lot of technical work; meanwhile you can finish your work, then we will examine it accurately. @ValterVB: What's your opinion? --Epìdosis 17:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello again. I'm nearing completion (well, preliminary completion, anyway). My plan is to expand the Sanskrit section and add a summary section. Once that's done -- but before I link it at the main discussion -- I would be very greatful if you'd look over it and let me know if anything needs to be more clearly explained, or any emphasis changed to make it more germane for Wikidata, etc. I have pretty good knowledge on versification, and experience working with data (chiefly SQL, so not a perfect match with Wikidata's methods), but I have a very poor conception of Wikidata's specific capabilities and limitations. So I'm asking you to help me avoid dead ends, as it's very frustrating to put a lot of work into something that could never possibly have worked in the first place. To that end, I have a few questions:
1. When you specify "allowed values = use only some features (—; ∪; X; |), each spaced by a blank" I understand this to mean that the property can have an input mask (or similar validation feature) such that (1) it is only possible to enter specified characters, or (2) the full string must conform to specified patterns (e.g. all elements must be separated by a space) to be accepted, or (3) both. Is that right?
2. Is it possible to have multiple distinctly tagged values in one item? Example: For item "foo", could we create statement1 where meter=- u u - u u with a tag "LTR" ... AND statement2 where meter=u u - u u - with a tag "RTL" so that one or the other could be intelligently (or even automatically) chosen for a given application?
3. Similarly, can a statement be tagged to indicate what subtype of quantitative meter it's scanning? e.g. tag="Latin" or tag="Sanskrit varnika" or tag="Sanskrit matrika"?
Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
@Phil wink: I will read your essay. Answers (not so well ...):
1. I would like something like an imput mask or a validation feature, but I've never seen something similar for datatype "string", the one which we will certainly use; when I write "allowed values ..." I mean that, using Template:Constraint:Format, we will be able to have a list of pages which don't respect our "allowed values". It's not so practical, but it's better than nothing!
3. About tags I think they would need to be created ex novo, at the moment they unfortunately don't exist.
2. Obviously one property can have more than one value ... unfortunately I think it would be impossible to choose a value rather than one other judging from his tag, as tags don't exist. --Epìdosis 20:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Let me make sure I understand you on #1: I can enter any string into the value, but if it doesn't conform to a pattern we set, then it is reported on some page. Periodically someone can check that page, and fix non-compliant strings by hand. Is that right? Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 21:01, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
@Phil wink: Yes, a page like this, updated daily by KrBot. --Epìdosis 21:17, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I've completed all major work on my essay. I will probably re-write the intro, and of course try to incorporate your counsel, but my head's about to explode, so it's best to pass it off to you for now. The essay is at User:Phil wink/Quantitative scansion notes, but you already knew that. Please review at your leisure. Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 06:29, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
PS: Feel free to respond either here, or on the essay talk page, whichever you think is appropriate. I'm watching both, so I'll see it.Phil wink (talk) 06:46, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
@Phil wink: I've read all the essay: I've underlined two little passages I couldn't understand; for the rest all is OK to me. I really appreciate your huge work: I don't have any knowledge of Sanskrit and Arabic metric, nevertheless I can understand them through your essay. Now we'll discuss how to implement these ideas. --Epìdosis 13:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I've "gone public" at the proposal page. I don't think there's too much more I can do until questions start arising, which of course I'm happy to address, if I'm able. Phil wink (talk) 05:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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