User talk:Beleg Tâl

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Merge...[edit]

Why have you for example merged the item for s:sv:Bibeln 1917 with the item for w:sv:1917 års kyrkobibel? I cannot see how that is according to what we have agreed in Wikidata talk:Wikisource. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 14:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I merged them because they are the same thing. How does that contradict the consensus? Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The consensus tells that we should have "edition-items" for every text on wikisource, instead of merging them with the "work-items". There can be several Wikisource-texts with the same texts (different publication-dates, orthography, translations etc). Take the Karl XII-bible for example on svwikisource. We cannot add them both to one single item. All versions of the Karl XII-bible, and they are many, do not have the same publication-date, publisher etc, and they do not all of them include the same range of bible-books. Therefor is it necessary to have separate items for each Wikisource text.
It's the same thing with for example "Raven by Poe". They are all based on the same poem, but they have different publication-dates, different number of verses, have different translators. They therefor need separate items.
The exceptions are the Wikisource-disambigs, like s:sv:Bibeln, who isn't a normal text-page in Wikisource, but rather a special kind of disambig, who lists all versions of the same text in Wikisource.
Nota Bene! It is still techically possible to have interiwiki between pages on Wikisource, even if they do not share the same item. Look at s:sv:Nya Testamentet (1526). We have not full consensus to apply this system to all of Wikisource, but it gives an idea of how we can accomplish Interwiki, even if the pages do not share items. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 17:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, and when you have a disambig page for all the many versions of the 1917 official translation, that will be the one used in the item for the 1917 official translation. However, right now I can only see one page for the 1917 official translation, and that is s:sv:Bibeln 1917, so that is the page that corresponds to the item representing the 1917 official translation. Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
It's true, there is only one version of the 1917-translation here today. But I think we have to be consistent when we connect Wikipedia-pages with Wikisource. How do we otherwise, from the semantics, know if s:sv:Bibeln 1917 is a WS-disambig or not? When two or more sitelinks are to be found in one item, there is no way to make separate statements about them.
We do not have to make it perfect from the beginning. A lot of mistakes were made when Wikisource were added to Wikidata, but when we now have Arbitrary Access, we finally can have some good use for it. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Unexplained merge[edit]

I'd appreciate if you could explain why you merged "translated text" (the product, Q28054891) into "translation" (the process, Q7553). Please add your rationale in the talk page of one of those items. Thanks, Waldir (talk) 11:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

✓ Done Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Titles beginning with articles[edit]

Please do not remove alias titles for which the article (a, an, the, le, el, die, etc.) has been removed. This is the standard form listed in many library databases, such as the Library of Congress. The article-free from of the title is thus important for matching against international databases for standard forms of the title. --EncycloPetey (talk) 07:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

St. Asaph[edit]

I left that not completely accurate.

St. Asaph is the tune. And the other are the words.

Thank you for (probably) making the repairs...--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Please stop redirecting!![edit]

I have three versions of the hymnal. A fourth is oggs of the hymns which I plan to upload.

Change the edition of part only. Please!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Unless you are unable to make new items. If you are unable to make new items, let me know. I will make them for you.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@RaboKarbakian: I will stop. I do not think that three levels of edition is correct. However, I will assume you have more wikidata experience than I have, and that you are following consensus that has been established with other wikidata editors. Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl: Yeah, it does seem excessive. I found that the only way to manage Lamb's Shakespeare (which each version had different images) was to make an upper level to manage them all. That had some versions that did not have one or two of the stories, another version that was issued in two journals and duplicated one of the stories.
I did not do this for the Botany of the Voyages, mostly because there was not another version (I think Petey has a microform version because that is where his image came from. If another version is found, all of the "chapters" need to be changed to "version".
Other versions of this hymnal include more and less of the one found at the wikisourcers.
I am a silent fan of yours, btw. And I only started on this because I noticed an edit of yours. Cheers! --RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:58, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
ps: the concensus has been very quiet lately.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:59, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Old songs and who wrote them[edit]

It will take a very long while for me to get to the hymns. If you have the time and enthusiasm, finding and or making the original, like Holy, Holy, Holy and making either the upper level or the source version of the hymns or both would be helpful. Q57952029 is the source hymns list which has the source parts. Q57951785 is the upper level and has those parts.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:07, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@RaboKarbakian: I don't have the time for this, unfortunately. I do, however, have a comprehensive list of every song in the book along with the link to the enWS page (or redirect) for the hymn item and the hymn tune item, if that is useful to you. Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

"Works" vs "Editions"[edit]

So, if we remove the links to editions of a work in various languages, how are the interlanguage links to them going to be displayed in Wikisource? Nikola (talk) 10:11, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@Nikola Smolenski: you can use interwiki links [[ru:Name of Work]] to display interlanguage links on Wikisource, until such a time as Wikidata supports the structure of Wikisource properly. Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:38, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl: The entire point of Wikidata is to avoid having to do that. Especially now that there are no more interwiki bots, such a solution is not really workable. Nikola (talk) 12:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
@Nikola Smolenski: While interwiki links is one of the benefits of Wikidata, it is not the "entire point". Rgardless, the interwiki model that Wikidata uses is designed for Wikipedia and, as you said, doesn't work well for Wikisource, but forcing Wikisource into the interwiki model designed for Wikipedia results in bad modelling and therefore breaks many of the other functions for which Wikidata is designed. Besides which, the directions I provided you are the result of community discussion and consensus on both Wikisource and Wikidata; I did not invent them; if you want more info on rationale or if you want to suggest changes, I recommend posting to s:en:Wikisource:Scriptorium or Wikidata talk:Wikisource. Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Christoph Demantius (Q497554)[edit]

Please note that GND 300042930 and GND 300859945 refer to works of Christoph Demantius, not his person as such --Emu (talk) 07:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)