User:Jimkats
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Hello, I'm jimkats from Greece.
Main Wikidata interests are about Greece and specifically: administrative entities, settlements, WLM entries.
I'm also interested in fixing various items, such as adding missing statements which can be helpful identifying the item, such as "located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)", "coordinate location (P625)" and "location (P276)". This applies mostly to items found in "What links here" and "items near this item".
This doesn't exclude other cases, such as items about archaeological sites and ancient places. I'm interested in history, although not in such depth for the items' completion in terms of statements and identifiers as others do. I research about those things as much as I can, when it's about Wikidata, or even OpenStreetMap when needed. But I'm just an IT/computers guy :P. The written history is complicated, especially when various mentions and references contradict each other or misinterpret writings from other languages.
A main issue is the conflict of modern settlements, ancient settlements, archaeological sites and administrative entities. Several times, at least two of them are in the same item which is usually not proper. It may be different per country, especially the settlements/administrative entities conflict, but in my opinion they should be differentiated as they refer to different stuff and historically hold different data which sometimes may coincide. Just because they have several similarities mainly due to naming, doesn't mean they should be merged in the same item. That's why "different from (P1889)" is used sometimes, to help those who don't research enough to understand that they should not merge two items due to label similarities.
Any criticism and suggestions are welcome. I'm just trying to make the items better following the guidelines, properties and community suggestions, and their time-to-time improvements and updates (such as the deprecation of the property "of (P642)" which was commonly used as qualifier, and can be replaced with "part of (P361)" or depending on the case any other related properties which are commonly used as statements).
Info about Greece
[edit]Few info about Greece that are being commonly mistaken by non-Greeks, causing erroneous data in Wikidata.
Administrative divisions
[edit]Greece has several levels of administrative subdivision, but only two of them are self-governing. Specifically:
- administrative region of Greece (Q207299) - regions (=περιφέρειες) as second-level of local government
- municipality of Greece (Q1349648) - municipalities (=δήμοι) as first-level of local government
Even though the highest administrative division of Greece is decentralized administration of Greece (Q3559207), those aren't really considered self-governing as the other two. They have mainly supervisory power towards regions and municipalities, as they act as the intermediate authority between the Greek state (through the Ministry of Interior) and the local governments.
Settlements
[edit]Settlements (villages/towns/cities) aren't considered administrative entities, and hence are ineligible for usage as values of the property located in the administrative territorial entity (P131). It's preferable to use the settlements as values for the property location (P276) instead.
The lowest administrative division, in which those settlements belong, is commune of Greece (Q111904027), but as mentioned earlier the lowest self-governing administrative entity is municipality of Greece (Q1349648), so you could use both of them in the property located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) (this one isn't really clear yet which tiers of administrative subdivision should be included in there, and with what qualifiers/rank).
Mount Athos
[edit]Mount Athos (=Άγιο Όρος) is an autonomous monastic state within Greece's territory. The name itself can refer to three things which can be used interchangeably as they pretty much refer to the same place, but still different aspects of it. Specifically:
- monastic community of Mount Athos (Q780149) - the monastic state
- Mount Athos (Q130321) - the mountain
- Athos peninsula (Q18524242) - the peninsula
The peninsula extends outside of the boundaries of the monastic state, pretty much till near Nea Roda (Q3495345). The mountainous area of mount Athos, because "mountain" usually refers to the whole mountainous area and not just the summits, extends to almost the whole of the monastic state, but not 100%. There are quite few flat/nearly flat areas near the coastline.
Random stats
[edit]Participated in Coordinate Me 2025 during May 2025 and made edits in 664 items.
609 for Greece, 21 for Serbia, 17 for Albania, 7 for Bulgaria, 4 for Turkey, 3 for Netherlands, 2 for Kosovo and 1 for Romania.
Wikidata queries
[edit]These are some random Wikidata queries, for various usages. Mainly for personal quick reference, but can be used by anyone if they find them useful.
- https://w.wiki/EDHq - Items with instance of municipality of Greece (Q1349648) which don't have official website (P856) set (all current municipalities have it, this query now shows former municipalities, which now are municipal units)
- https://w.wiki/EHb5 - Items with a value in located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) that isn't an administrative entity.
Many users, especially non-Greeks, erroneously add in that property a settlement, for example Patras (Q133123). Unlike in some other countries, in Greece the settlements (villages/towns/cities) aren't considered an administrative entity. The communes are the lowest administrative subdivision of Greece (i.e. Commune of Agrinio (Q125127760)), while the lowest administrative authority of Greece are municipalities (i.e. Athens Municipality (Q1224979)), which is what being used a main value in located in the administrative territorial entity (P131). - https://w.wiki/ELDz - Items of Greek settlements with the property shares border with (P47).
Most of them don't need it and they usually refer to the respective communes, which have their own items. The property is applicable for settlements which are really close to one another and their urban areas intersect, like the suburbs of Athens, or like Trikala of Corinthia (Ano Trikala (Q12885459), Mesi Synoikia Trikalon (Q21591192) and Kato Synoikia Trikalon (Q21591183)). - https://w.wiki/HjS3 - Items of groups of Greek settlements with instance of group of settlements (Q25964111).
There are many named groups of villages, which don't have yet a Wikidata item. This query is suitable to get the list of the existing ones and link the settlements back to those groups, with part of (P361).
Notes:
- So, using lang templates in the user page, changes how you see labels and descriptions of items on their page and in the Nearby page. By using plain userbox template, and therefore manually add the same info the lang template does in the user page, stops these issues from occurring. I was doing well for not having a user page in Wikidata for so long :P