Topic on User talk:Orf3us

Hi, note that not all images are suitable to be used as image (P18) in people items. There are more specific properties for images not showing the person, like coat of arms image (P94) or image of grave (P1442), so it is much better to add them to the specific properties and not as image (P18).

Hi Jklamo, that is perfectly correct. Now the items that you have reversed are being used in a Norwegian infobox and since there is no other proper picture of these persons I have chosen to use their coat of arms. One day someone hopefully will upload a proper picture of these persons and the coat of arms can be exchanged. I see that you have now removed and changed the picture to "no value" which has resulted in an error-message in the Norwegian infoboxes on the Norwegian wikipedia saying: "[[Fil:Lua-feil i Modul:WikidataBilde, linje 62: attempt to index field 'datavalue' (a nil value).||frameless]]". If you really find this neccessary, I will remove the infoboxes from these articles so that they we will not have to look at error-messages in the infoboxes. That is of course a shame, since wikidata is a really helpful tool. Regards,

Hi, I understand, but currently there is no consensus to add these pictures as P18, mainly users from dewiki are very sensitive about this issue and removing all pictures like that (coat of arms, graves without portrait, etc.). P18 is very popular property and it is not easy to satisfy users from multiple wikis. As result for some items there are multiple adds and removes conducted by distinctive users, novalue is a bit dirty way to prevent these behaviour.

Instead of removing infoboxes I recommend to modify infobox code in your wiki to be able to handle novalue and even show P94 or P1442 in case, where there is not P18 (or there is novalue) in the items. That is the far more cleanest way to deal with this. You can remove novalue as well (I will not revert that change), but if you replace it with coa picture be prepared that someone other may remove it in future.

Thank you for your answer. I have seen on your discussion page that someone is concerned about this issue, and you are now continuing that procedure. Alternatively I can just add the coat of arms picture in the local infobox, but if someone then uploads a proper picture in the future unfortunately it will not be changed. The "no value" gives an error-message in the infoboxes on NO.wikipedia, so that will have to be fixed. Is there consensus on adding "no value" to P18? Regards