Hello once again. Within Europeana 280 there is a small problem with czech artwork St Jude Thaddaeus (Q22976727). In this matter I questioned uploader User:Dominikmatus (https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:Dominikmatus&diff=13637241&oldid=13616364). >> We have (=Wikimedia Commons) image of saint in red-brown clothing (in Karlštejn it has acc. nro. KA 3735) traditionaly described as Jude Thaddaeus, but Europeana http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/2063619/CZR_280_002.html has saint in blue clothing (KA 3736) desribed as Simeon the Zealot (as in FAJT, Jiří et al. Magister Theodoricus: dvorní malíř císaře Karla IV - umělecká výzdoba posvátných prostor hradu Karlštejna. Praha 1997. ISBN 80-7035-142-X). Question remains: Is this product of mistake or new discovery (D. Matus assume mistake)? I am acctualy not sure how to proceed: Maybe You (or Europeana?) could contact czech National Heritage Institue (NPÚ) with question, whether they are absolutely sure with this description. Regards
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St Jude Thaddaeus
Just to confirm - I have seen this message, and I have asked my colleagues at Europeana for advice. It's a very detailed/specific problem, well identified! I hope to be able to provide a clear answer...
FYI: Yesterday published User:František Šťastný article on Czech Wikipedia about St. Jude Thaddaeus. He knew about the problem and after his preparation he wrote, that description of painting has been chaged. It seems, that about exhibition Zámky opěvované a objevované (2014), there appeared some kind of proposal to change Simeon > Juda and later (in 2014) it was fully (?) accepted by NPÚ. So, at the end of the day it seems, that description within Europeana is acctualy right (there could be academic discussion, whether saint in blue with sword/club is Simeon or Juda, but he is in #Europeana280). Just to be sure: pink User:Vojtěch Dostál; User:Dominikmatus.
I must admit - I'm very confused! This is a complex art-history question, added to a complex wikimedia question :-)
It seems that you are saying that the problem has been resolved now, or is that not the case?
It definitely seems that way... but! F. Šťastný claims, that the change of description is based on weapon of saint in blue (it is sword [=Simeon], but it resembles club = weapon of Jude Thaddaeus). He references the guide of exhibition (Hrady objevované a opěvované, ISBN 978-80-87890-05-9, page 59), unfortunately there is no such information (http://docplayer.cz/1719351-Petr-pavelec-ed-hrady-a-zamky-objevovane-a-opevovane-pruvodce-vystavou.html). We can believe, that NPÚ claims with all awareness, that saint in blue (KA 3736, painting in Europeana 280) is Jude Thaddaeus, but we lack (published) source for reason, why description was changed (this "sword vs. club" thing). Maybe it isn't problem (we can just believe http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/2063619/CZR_280_002.html), but it is displeasing...
Hello, I must confess to my error in this case (I was - somehow - able to misinterpret quoted part of article - I think, that one used phrase was somehow strange, but still it is my fault). Diligent author of article F. Šťasný also asked NPÚ and Dr. Aleš Mudra (http://monumnet.npu.cz/organizace/pracovnici.php?IdUziv=2594) replied: (Long story in short) User:Dominikmatusawas right all the timend saint in blue with sword is St. Simeon (hand vice versa ttps://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse:Svat%C3%BD_Juda_Tade%C3%A1%C5%A1&diff=13744777&oldid=13741345). Again, I am sorry for misleding You, and I am afraid, that some comunication between Europeana and NPÚ will be needed.