Talk:Q860861

Autodescription — sculpture (Q860861)

description: three-dimensional work of art

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Q3370053[edit]

Not every sculpture is a small monument (Q3370053)--Oursana (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. JAn Dudík, could you point out where this "causes many constraints for statue"? Sounds like a problem that has to be fixed on a constraint level without stating a weird/wrong value for subclass of (P279) here. --Marsupium (talk) 10:45, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Oursana, Marsupium: There are hundrets item about sculptures in public space which are used for filing lists(example (eg. majority of https://w.wiki/546j ) and without this the are missing in that lists. As I know, the only statues which are not small monument (Q3370053) are these in museums JAn Dudík (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JAn Dudík: Hello, thanks for the reply. Okay, I get the issue here. But the solution for it is not to add a wrong class to a Wikidata item, but rather to add sculpture (Q860861) as a class to those queries if you want to include them. Can you please undo your revert of a correct edit? Thank you, --Marsupium (talk) 11:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And here will be these constraints.

Is not big problem to change query and constraints, but have you some source that statue is NOT small monument? According to National Heritage Institute (Q12041640) are between small monuments also statues [1]

An I am not the only who have problem with it, see this discussion. @Vojtěch Dostál, MIGORMCZ:

Maybe we can made two groups of statues, one of them is small monument and second not. JAn Dudík (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

P6736 type constraint violations won't be a problem because work (Q386724) is already an allowed type and sculpture (Q860861) is sub-sub-subclass of it.

Where on its >100 pages does https://www.npu.cz/publikace/metodika-dokumentace-drobnych-pamatek.pdf says that ALL sculptures are "small monuments"? Please note the difference between a "statue" and a "sculpture".

Regarding your question for a source: Normally we require sources for adding data, not the contrary. Because, not everything that has not been denied by a reliable source is true. Only because there is not source saying that Douglas Adams (Q42) was a hamster doesn't make it true.

But, to falsify the hypothesis one counterexample (Q596077) should be enough by the laws of logic. Christ the Redeemer (Q79961) for example is a sculpture (and also a statue). If we can agree that this isn't a "small monument" that would mean that not all sculptures are small monuments and that sculpture (Q860861)subclass of (P279)small monument (Q3370053) is not true. I'll remove the statement again for now. Best, --Marsupium (talk) 08:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well. Bud how much items about scluptures are small and how much big?

It will be logical if we have small sculpture and big sculpture. JAn Dudík (talk) 20:45, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, for me a sculpture can be also a big monument. --Infovarius (talk) 21:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Q860861

Autodescription — sculpture (Q860861)

Q3370053[edit]

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