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Autodescription — Plato (Q859)
description: ancient Greek philosopher (428/423 – 348/347 BC)
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I don't know how to edit the Wikidata page, but this lists the wrong ISNI for Plato of Athens - it lists the ISNI of Plato de Benedetti, who lived about 1800 years later. Correct ISNI for Plato of Athens is 0000 0001 2096 7858 (see http://isni.org/isni/0000000120967858)
EDItEUR staff (talk) 11:07, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure it is worth mentionning, since virtually every person we know from Antiquity who wasn't a slave himself very probably had at least one. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- This is false. Many people during the time period in question were neither slaves nor slaveholders. In addition, the fact that slaveholding was common in some societies does not make identifying individual slaveholders, especially well-known ones, irrelevant or unimportant. DoSazunielle (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- @DoSazunielle: you misunderstood me. I'm not claiming that nobody was in between, but, and I'll correct myself, that the vast majority of persons we know about fall in one or the other of those categories, the slaveholders being vastly more numerous than the slaves. It's just a matter of documentation, nothing else. I'm afraid this QId is way more aimed at slavery of the modern era rather than antiquity. However, I'm seeing that it should be used with social classification (P3716), not occupation (P106), which seems indeed more correct. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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- I agree, first of all occupation (P106)slave owner (Q10076267) and instance of (P31)slave owner (Q10076267) are incorrect and social classification (P3716)slave owner (Q10076267) is the correct option. I also share the impression that "this QId is way more aimed at slavery of the modern era rather than antiquity", but anyway, being the statement sourced, at the moment I leave it here, waiting for more feedback here. --Epìdosis 17:22, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- full ack Epì DerHexer (talk) 17:46, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the can be deleted. Platon is not known as slave owner. Very likely as part of the ancient upper class he had some. But this was not his job. And this also was not a status. The classical possible stati were free citizen, free foreigner and unfree. So please a completely deletion. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- @DerHexer: What does "full ack Epì" mean? @Marcus Cyron: What is the evidence that Plato was "not known" as a slave owner? DoSazunielle (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, first of all occupation (P106)slave owner (Q10076267) and instance of (P31)slave owner (Q10076267) are incorrect and social classification (P3716)slave owner (Q10076267) is the correct option. I also share the impression that "this QId is way more aimed at slavery of the modern era rather than antiquity", but anyway, being the statement sourced, at the moment I leave it here, waiting for more feedback here. --Epìdosis 17:22, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, depending on the historic period a slave holder would be on the same status with a current car owner. Definitely not an occupation, but also Marcus Cyron has a point as it would not be a social classification on its own, both members of the middle and upper class may have been having slaves, and most sources would not bother to mention it. -Geraki (talk) 19:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)