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Autodescription — magnoliids (Q846071)
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'Good faith but highly uninformed' action by EncycloPetey[edit]
The entry "magnoliids" (Q846071) is about the clade as recognized in the APG II (Q156518) and APG III (Q156982) systems of flowering plant classification. In the original papers the spelling is "magnoliids", so this should be the preferred spelling. Many Wikipedia's have an article on this clade, as is quite proper.
The version by EncycloPetey makes no sense, as 1) the magnoliids are not part of the dicotyledons (they have been emphatically excluded), 2) they are not called Magnolidae (the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group (Q539818) went to great lengths to avoid doing so), 3) the interwiki's are messed up horribly with many interwiki's to Magnolidae (a different topic) mixed in, and 4) many other interwiki's to Magnolidae are then not represented in Wikidata and would thus be orphaned. Many Wikipedia's not only have an article on the magnoliids (the clade) but also an article on the Magnolidae (the subclass) as is only sensible. (The English Wikipedia had two separate, and factual, articles on these as well, before EncycloPetey killed them off, according to his (religious? Anyway, not based on the literature) belief that there are Invariable True Groups of Plants, revealed to the English Wikipedia directly (by God?)).
Even now, the English Wikipedia has two separate articles anyway, just not on these two topics, namely magnoliids and Magnoliidae sensu Chase & Reveal, but the latter of these is really about a third topic (a rank-based system of names for APG III): ideally there should be three Wikidata entries Magnolidae, magnoliids and Magnoliidae sensu Chase & Reveal. A Wikipedia will do well to make the Magnolidae page a full page; any article on a higher-ranked group should serve to disambiguate the taxonomy (as it is composed of lower-ranking groups there is not much reason to give very extensive descriptions of the plants included). - Brya (talk) 05:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)