Talk:Q82650

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taxi as service can use a rickshaw (Q182634) or moped (Q201783)[edit]

I doubt that moped (Q201783) and rickshaw (Q182634) are considered as passenger transport (Q2072431) in every country. d1g (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Australian and "Point to point transport"[edit]

Point to point transport provides flexible, convenient options for customers to get from A to B via the route they choose at a time that suits. Point to point transport includes taxis, hire cars, tourist services, rideshare services and community transport

Not proficient with australian words what is exactly meant by "ptp transport": actual cars or transportation services.

No luck with licenses too: PPS - Application for an Authority to Drive Taxi-Cab doesn't use "taxi" as vehicle or "service". d1g (talk) 10:57, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Proponents "taxi is vehicle" can comment here[edit]

@Multichill, Andreasmperu:

Unsourced claims and descriptions will be removed within week. d1g (talk) 11:32, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

It is against dictionaries to claim taxi not a service or not for-profit-activity. d1g (talk) 12:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

It probably reveals problem of expecting that interwiki will link articles about exactly the same. For example https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taks%C3%B3wka defines topic of article as "vehicle that is used for..." Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:53, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
I think it would make more sense to create new item named "vehicles used in taxi industry" and move sitelinks from Q82650
@Mateusz Konieczny: Is this bad suggestion? d1g (talk) 13:03, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
For start, it would be probably easier to just edit label and description here. And it is not clear for me how label and descriptions are supposed to be used in Wikidata so I will not comment Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:09, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
BTW, I would support removal of "Service regulated at least in Australia and Vancouver" - it should go into property, not label Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
@Mateusz Konieczny: agree, this should go even to separate item "taxi license" and maybe each item per country later. d1g (talk) 13:03, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
  • d1g your own Oxford dictionary quote starts with a motor vehicle, ie. a vehicle. ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
    • @ArthurPSmith: I was always saying it is vehicle+license+service thing, it can't be "just any vehicle unconditionally" or "just license" or "just service"
    • All of my edits had "use of vehicle". It could be clarified with "item operated = land vehicle" (or motor vehicle) d1g (talk) 13:23, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
  • A taxi is a vehicle. A taxicab service is a service. Uber may or may not be a taxicab service, but it is not a vehicle. Jheald (talk) 13:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
    • "A taxi is a vehicle" is a 1.1 definition. It can be boat too, this is not specific to English; I never saw "...or boat" at this item... d1g (talk) 14:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't understand the problem here.
taxi (Q82650) is a subclass of vehicle (Q42889). Its use (P366) is for providing a taxi service (Q41222493).
What is it that you are not happy with in that? Or that you think other people are not happy with? Jheald (talk) 15:37, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
First, I understand that "vehicle" refers to boats too. So boat=taxi is okay and vice versa.
Secondly, "taxi" word cannot exist without "service" part. OD says "other means of transportation used in the same way as a taxi"
@Jheald: service part was removed twice and I don't see how it can be reasonable.
Word wasn't "taxi" it had different words "извоз" (occupation with horses) "извозчик" (driver), but they are effectively gone now. d1g (talk) 18:49, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
@D1gggg: Please understand the concept of subclass of (P279) "is a subclass of".
A subclass of (P279) B does not imply B subclass of (P279) A.
Some taxis are boats. That does not imply that all boats are taxis. Jheald (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
@Jheald:, don't worry some boats are taxis, this relation is one-way.
My point was about "taxi" subclass "service"
In which situation taxi is not a service? Yellow pages placing it under "services" not by mistake.
Why it was necessary to remove seemingly correct claims?
taxi is a vehicle but it also a service (and often licensing thing).
E.g. here it is a vehicle, but this vehicle was part of taxi services. (bus was used for transportation, but taxi may or may not)
It would be more correct to claim "item operated = vehicle" + "subclass = service" like I did
Nobody objects that "public transport" is a service, but "taxi" is not a service for some reason. d1g (talk) 19:53, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
This is not the item for taxi service (Q41222493). There is another item for that. Jheald (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
I think this item should be subclass of (P279) vehicle for hire (Q13417157), given that there are other types of vehicle for hire (Q13417157). Danrok (talk) 00:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Far better than just "vehicle" d1g (talk) 01:05, 1 October 2017 (UTC)