Talk:Q476028

Change English description to "football club", possibly move English wikipedia link to new item

Hi, I propose to change the English description of this article to "football club" as this seems to reflect reality in a better way. See http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html?q=CLAIM[31%3A%28TREE[476028][][279]%29]# for instances of "football team", most of those articles talk about football clubs as a whole (so the main team of the club, everything around the club, possible youth teams, etc.). The "subclass of" property should then also be changed to point to Q4438121 (sports organization). Additionally the English wikipedia link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_team should possibly get moved to a new item, but I'm not sure about this yet (this article talks about both football team and football club). --Bthfan (talk) 13:47, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Many languages (be, ru, uk...) already have "football club" as labels. --Infovarius (talk) 11:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I've performed the described changes now. I've left the "subclass of" relation for now though as it was as I'm not sure if people rely on this behavior (many people think about a specific "football team" when they say the name of a football club). --Bthfan (talk) 19:50, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

It's pretty confusing. I suppose this item is suppose to represent clubs, and association football team (Q15944511) and women's association football team (Q28140340) are supposed to represent teams. Generally a club will have a number of teams. Are separate items for men's and women's teams really necessary? Ghouston (talk) 12:18, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Football confusion

This page needs clarification in that the Wikipedia page makes it clear that it covers all "footballs":

"A football team is the collective name given to a group of players selected together in the various team sports known as football."

Thus both Manchester United (soccer) and Miami Dolphins (US Football) are instance of (P31):football team", which is far from ideal. Further confusing is that this page has sport (P641):association football. Ideally each sport would have its own page for a team...Smb1001 (talk) 12:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, at least Wikidata should really split the various football sports. I wonder if creating a new item for (as an example) American football on Wikidata and moving all American football teams over would be ok? Or do we have to wait for a new Wikipedia article/create one ourselves? The problem without a proper article is then that the English Wikipedia link is somewhat wrong if we move all non-soccer teams to (instance of) other items. Or we create new items for soccer, American football, ... and leave this item here as inter-language wikipedia links item only. --Bthfan (talk) 10:48, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I created American football team (Q17156793)    now for that case (and others). I've used "club" now, see the discussion entry above for team vs. club. May want to add instance of sports team and sports club to that item. --Bthfan (talk) 15:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I've created football club (Q17270000) to split the "various football sports" thing up. I'll convert this item here back into association football team. --Bthfan (talk) 11:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

...and I also moved lots of rugby teams off this item (instance of) to "instance of rugby [league/union] team" --Bthfan (talk) 12:44, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Football team

there is the same concept (?) Q28083137. Cannot merge--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

No, a club is an organization that may have several teams. Ghouston (talk) 11:02, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

E.g., they may have a premier team, a reserve team, both men's and women's, and multiple youth teams. Ghouston (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

reversion

@Ghouston: Sorry by this edition. I got confuse by a bad translation of catalan label. However, now I can't see the diference between association football club (Q476028) and football club (Q17270000). Any help to label it correctly ?. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 08:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Labels in different languages can cause confusion. association football club (Q476028) is for association football (Q2736), a game with a round ball played nearly everywhere, but football club (Q17270000) is for all types of football, including Australian rules football (Q50776) and American football (Q41323), and various others. Ghouston (talk) 08:45, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Replace EnWiki redirect with article page

Hello. There is now an article that regards to association football club. The name is "Football club (association football)" so it would be good if an administrator could replace "Association football club" with "Football club (association football)" so that it doesn't (have to) link to a redirect. That way, also English users will see "other languages" when displaying this item, which they don't at the moment! :) --Danielsltt (talk) 15:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)