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description: work listing words grouped into categories in part topical and in part semantic, e.g. Roget's thesaurus (not thesaurus from information science)
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A problem with this item is that the English Wikipedia has two distinct articles on thesauri, one for the reference works (synonym dictionaries) and another for the controlled vocabularies meant for subject indexing (see thesaurus (Q17152639)). All other Wikipedias have one article for both meanings. Which English article should be linked to the other languages? Bever (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, also French Wikipedia have two pages: fr:Thésaurus for the documentation tool and fr:Thesaurus (dictionnaire) for the lexicographic tool. I can't make the change, but I'll thank in advance the whom that can make it ! Noé (talk) 10:56, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There was thesaurus (Q17152639) for for the documentation tool and thesaurus (Q179797) for the dictionary. You seem to have mixed or reversed the two by your edits, so I had to rollback most of it. There is also Thesaurus (Q9087300) for disambiguation pages that link to both types of thesauri. -- JakobVoss (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JakobVoss: I di not understand what you did. We need to have two different items for thesaurus: one for documentary thesaurus and the other for lexicographic thesaurus. Now we have only 3 elements: thesaurus (Q179797), thesaurus (Q17152639) and Thesaurus (Q9087300) for the disambiguation page. Pamputt (talk) 17:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC) What element for what concept? Pamputt (talk) 17:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Pamputt: I first tried to fix by hand and then found it too confusing, so I did reverts. For documentary thesaurus keep using thesaurus (Q17152639) View with SQID. For lexicographic thesaurus keep using thesaurus (Q179797) View with SQID. If there is a disambiguation page "thesaurus", link it to Thesaurus (Q9087300) -- JakobVoss (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok for me. Pamputt (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JakobVoss: Is not a documentary thesaurus just a subclass of thesaurus ? It seems a documentation thesaurus meets the definition of lexicographic thesaurus. author  TomT0m / talk page 20:19, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@TomT0m: see my comment at Topic:T4rgq5asq3rmkrhj -- JakobVoss (talk) 05:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please add link to existing Thesaurus in German Wikipedia[edit]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesaurus  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiEcho (talk • contribs) at 16:11, 27 апреля 2022 (UTC).

It's at thesaurus (Q17152639) already. --Infovarius (talk) 19:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiktionary thesaurus pages are not thesauri[edit]

Since I am about to do a volume change, let me clarify: Thesaurus:color (Q30706827) is not an instance of thesaurus; it is an instance of a thesaurus entry. The whole English Wiktionary thesaurus (collection of thesaurus entries) is a thesaurus. And so is Roget 1911 or Moby II. Dan Polansky (talk) 21:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What needs to be done is this: take all instances of Wiktionary thesaurus page (Q31209114) and removed them from instance of thesaurus (Q179797). --Dan Polansky (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is a thesaurus (dictionary)?[edit]

This question is not straightforward to answer. For sure, a thesaurus as a dictionary stands in contrast to thesaurus (Q17152639) serving information retrieval, which is characterized by choosing a preferred term for each concept and by linking concepts/subject headings by Broader term, Narrower terms, and Related terms relationships. Some candidates for thesaurus as a dictionary:

  • Roget's thesaurus and its follow-ups. This is not a synonym dictionary; it is a dictionary grouping words into semantic categories or buckets, to facilitate finding words by semantics. The semantic relations are not strictly defined, and are not limited to synonymy and antonymy, as is obvious e.g. from the Animal bucket. Writing a good characterization of this kind of thesaurus would be worthwhile. This fits thesaurus (Q179797) well.
  • A synonym dictionary, potentially with antonyms. For this, there is synonym dictionary (Q2376111). These works are often called "Thesaurus".
  • A thesaurus-like dictionary that is neither of the above, such as some of the modern works online called "Thesaurus". Examples are Merriam-Webster Thesaurus (which has not only synonyms and antonyms but also "similar words", some of which are hyponyms or not even that, and near antonyms) and Macmillan Thesaurus (which uses a variety of "related terms" relationships to help vocabulary navigation). They do not really fit synonym dictionary (Q2376111) or thesaurus (Q179797). How to classify them is unclear. Perhaps thesaurus (Q179797) should be broadened to include them. The problem seems to be that synonym dictionary (Q2376111) and thesaurus (Q179797) seem to be somewhat like poles of a spectrum or another non-binary or non-categorical structure.

In the worst case, one would have to treat the word "thesaurus" in part as a proper name, and thus, a thesaurus would be 'anything called 'thesaurus'", just like "a Peter" is 'anyone called "Peter"'. However, this is fundamentally an aconceptual (aintensional?) approach, and seems to be a poor fit for Wikidata. Dan Polansky (talk) 15:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

English label lexicographic thesaurus[edit]

Sees not much use:

--Dan Polansky (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]