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P131

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I think I figured out what happened. On Wikidata: From June 12, 2013 here To June 23, 2013 here An unregistered user went through thousands of wikidata items of locations and added ‎Created claim: located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) and filled it in with a country: The editor received some comments on his talk page here re: incorrect addition on some wikidata items, which other editors had to tediously remove.

And On June 13, added the same claim to Puerto Rico here and to the other US territories here Right after the 50 states of the US were updated, so were the territories, and this should not have been done. While these are U.S. territories they are not "located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) of the United States". Look at any US map to know what I mean. There are 50 states in the US, not 50 states and a bunch of territories.

While some of this unregistered editors additions / errors were questioned and corrected by some editors, US territories and maybe others' wikidata items slipped through the cracks. No one noticed or questioned the edits.

The unregistered user responded on his talk page with how he made these edits and I quote him "I created a bot that traverse the entity recursively via the contains administrative territorial entity (P150) property. The assumption is if A subdivides to any entity B or C, then B is in administrative unit located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) of A, and C is in administrative unit located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) of A. This will ensure reciprocity but it seems to be not true all the time, the contains administrative territorial entity (P150) means both subdivides into administrative division and subdivides into other things. I am using this tool to make sure all subdivisions have other property like country (P17) is set to the same country as the root node. And also to be able to view the hierarchy of subdivision for a country. --112.203.160.147 16:24, 20 June 2013 (UTC)"

So that is why since mid-2013, it came to be that on English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias, based on this incorrect addition to the Wikidata item, US Territories were made to INCORRECTLY be located "in" the administrative territorial entity (131) of the United States.

This is incorrect as the only territories in the United States are the 50 states. You can note that the unregistered user, using a script to indiscrimately add this claim, went through the US 50 states correctly, then also included the claim on the US terrorities, which again ARE NOT IN the United States. Look at any map of the US to know what is in the U.S. Other parameters on this wikidata item cover the political status of the territories in relation to the United States. This location claim is incorrect.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Guam is not located in the United States. Please revert your changes. You added "Property / located in the administrative territorial entity: United States of America / rank" .. Again the US has 50 states. The territories are not "in" the US.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Discussion on why I reverted Jura on this property / located in the administrative territorial entity (equal or not equal to the US) was discussed here. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
The Secretary of Interior "Carries out Responsibilities for the U.S. Insular Areas" because the U.S. territories are not located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) = U.S.[1]--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Please don't use <ref></ref>: it breaks talk page layout. See Help:Sources on how to add them directly to Wikidata. --- Jura 12:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


  • Related project chat discussion is at Wikidata:Project_chat#Which_country_is_Puerto_Rico_in?. I suggest we undo the content deletion by The Eloquent Peasant and restore it to the structure established 6-7 years ago. Additional statements can be added if referenced. --- Jura 12:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


The CIA World Factbook states, under the Geography section for the United States, that the area of the United States is
Area
"total: 9,833,517 sq km
land: 9,147,593 sq km
water: 685,924 sq km
note: includes only the 50 states and District of Columbia, no overseas territories" (emphasis is mine) --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)