Talk:Q11471

Определение

Время - физическая величина, равная количеству эталонных событий --Fractaler (talk) 11:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

"time" refers to interval of time and point in time

Interval of time can be reduced to point of time.

So, it can be scalar, but not always scalar.

"point in time" is never actually a point but "4D area" in "space-time", don't fall into this trap.

Don't think "time" can be a "point" - this is very rough abstraction. d1g (talk) 13:50, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

time interval (Q186081): temporal extent having a beginning, an end and a duration. What is "point of time"? --Fractaler (talk) 13:21, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Moment of time? --Infovarius (talk) 11:05, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Moment of time with duration 100000000000+ s. or 1/100000000000+ s.? --Fractaler (talk) 12:15, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

What duration has 5 p.m.? --Infovarius (talk) 15:07, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

5 or 5.1 or 5.01 or 5.001 or .... 0000000000000000000000000001 s? --Fractaler (talk) 19:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

It is moment and duration is half of everything... --5.43.86.137 19:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@d1g: You are wrong. Interval is duration, moment is now... --5.43.86.137 19:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@D1gggg: Above comment... --5.43.86.137 19:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Time: physical quantity vs. dimension

Hello @Swpb: So far I had considered this item (Q11471) to be about the physical quantity time, also called duration (Q26711932, item 3-7). I also get this impression when reading some of the attached Wikipedia articles. For instance, the German Wikipedia starts with "Die Zeit ist eine physikalische Größe.". Is your claim that this item is about the time dimension, or something else? Coincidentally, I had been wondering what exactly the difference is between time (Q11471) and duration (Q2199864). I tend to think that they could be merged (which is why I had added the said to be the same as (P460) statement - as a "machine readable" way of starting this discussion). Toni 001 (talk) 15:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

This item is about time as a dimension (Q4440864) in which events occur. A duration is a measure (Q39875001) of time (often associated with a particular event); it is not the same thing as time. Five minutes is a duration, it is not an instance of the dimension "time". The relation is the same as that between space (Q107) and distance (Q126017). I don't have opinions on what ISO-defined entities map to, or how German writes its labels, but I'm very certain that these two items should not be merged or linked with said to be the same as (P460). Maybe different from (P1889). Swpb (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Swpb: OK, so there seems to be a mismatch between the first few sentences of say the German and English Wikipedia articles (the latter of which emphasizes the time dimensions). But in the end, both explain both "duration" and "time dimension" (among other things). I don't mind which of time (Q11471) or duration (Q2199864) we ultimately use to refer to the physical quantity. You seem to prefer the latter, so I'll go ahead with moving the physical quantity-related statements there. Toni 001 (talk) 08:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, keep in mind that a lot of related concepts get treated in the same encyclopedia article, but Wikidata doesn't use the same standards as the Wikipedias, and can have many more items than the Wikipedias have articles. Swpb (talk) 19:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's typically one of the harder parts of curating physical quantity items with one precise definition. Toni 001 (talk) 11:01, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

descriptions

en: dimension in which events can be ordered from the past through the present into the future > dimension in which events can be ordered from the past through the present towards future

sr: трајан, непрекидан редослед постајања и догађаја > трајан, непрекидан ток бивања и догађања (димензија у којој се догађаји могу ређати од прошлости кроз садашњост према будућности)

bs: trajanje dešavanja, od prošlosti/jučerašnjice tokom sadašnjosti/današnjice do budućnosti/sutrašnjice, or trajanje događaja or trajnost dešavanja

--5.43.86.137; 19:26, 2 August 2022 (UTC) [e]