Talk:Q113994656

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False and unverified claims[edit]

There is a video which shows woman's entrance to the police station and her collapse in the waiting room, and it clearly disprove lies that she died due to intentional homicide or even gun shot, which were inserted by several ill-informed editors. There is also a claim that someone hit her in head before taped events (on street or in van), which lead to her latter collapse. That might be true, and also not, so it's correctly treated as a possibility with references. --Orijentolog (talk) 22:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Q114051466[edit]

The wikipedia articles that cover this topic are clearly about the same incident, and yet they are devided over two different items. Also this person is NOT notable in her own right, only her death. There should be only one item with the same title as the English Wikipedia article "Death of Mahsa Amini", and "instance of = event", I don't know if "instance of = human" would be okay to keep as well. Tagging editors @Trade, Ruwaym, Paraw, Ala Ef, Coffins, Brunnaiz: --Ideophagous (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

it's the other Wikipedia's that are dividing the same incident. Wikidata are simply the sympton, not the cause --Trade (talk) 20:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ideophagous Agree to merge it with death of Mahsa Amini (Q114051466). Ruwaym (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They're not dividing it. The titles are simply different, but I think we should keep them all connected to the same Wikidata item. I don't think the person has notability in her own right on Wikidata or any Wikipedia project, so it makes no sense to have an item about her and another about the incident. Ideophagous (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are Wikipedia articles about Mahsa Amini and there are articles about Mahsa Amini's death. Both items fulfill the first criteria of Wikidata:Notability. Please do not remove them again--Trade (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion all articles in different wikipedias should be in the same item, doesn't matter if it's title is different in other languages. The topic and contents are the same. ChipsBaMast (talk) 19:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No. Mahsa Amini was a person, her death is an event. Two different things require two different WD objects. In some Wikipedias the person is considered sufficiently notable for an article in her name (whether any of us agree with this or not), other language versions prefer an article on the event, because they consider the person has insufficient notability in her own right or for whatever other reason. It is not up to us here to decide. Yen Zotto (talk) 20:04, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The treatment of the subject can easily evolve, and we have no way of verifying every Wikipedia project's notability criteria. I vote for merge simply because the content and intent (covering the death of a young woman in Iran, and the ensuing protests) are clearly the same in all articles. Ideophagous (talk) 04:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge She was a young woman and not much can be written about her life other than about her death and the reactions to it. So whoever googles Mahsa Amini, will google her for her death and the country-wide protests which erupted as a reaction to it. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These should definitely not be merged. That's not how Wikidata works. Her death is an event that is clearly notable, but she was also a person who is again clearly notable (by Wikidata standards). Some Wikipedias have articles on the death, some on the person -- and maybe some will eventually have articles on both. Elli (talk) 02:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The separate items don't contradict with the Wikidata policy. A person is one entity, its death is another entity/event, even if contents in linked wikiprojects appear to be same everywhere. For Wikidata both items are notable each on their own. What would we do if some Wikipedia is going to keep both items for the girl and for circumstances of her death? We cannot be responsible for policies in Wikipedia projects, having no answer why, relatively speaking, for the EnWP the most relevant is the death, for the FaWP it's the woman, and for some another wiki both are going to be acceptable. Wikipedia is an another thing. --Wolverène (talk) 09:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Merge#Check to be sure, yes it's more about surnames vs. disambigs, but the principle is similar - concepts are still different, even if some Wikipedia articles includes the story of death in a biography article, or is keeping just the death-focused page. --Wolverène (talk) 09:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Merge - This is absolute idiocy and does an immense disservice to us multilingual readers. All versions of Wikipedia have this topic covered under one article - be it prefixed with "death of" or not. When a Wikipedia has two articles splitting the subjects then separation might be an option to be discussed, otherwise readers are just being disadvantaged for such an absurd and frivolous distinction. Kindest regards, Anon --41.150.225.3 10:50, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please correct the links[edit]

hello @Orijentolog Please add like between [Mahsa Amini(Jina)] in wikipedia english and the [مهسا امینی] in wiki persian.

and please add link between [Death of Mahsa Amini] in wikipedia english and [کشته شدن مهسا امینی] in wikipedia persian. Thank you Caravaneternity (talk) 12:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation[edit]

At occupation it is said she was women's rights activist (Q28692502). However, this sourced quote from English Wikipedia claims she was not a political person nor an activist of any sort, [1]:

Her cousin, Erfan Mortezaei,[1][2] a left-wing political activist belonging to the Komala party and a Peshmerga fighter living in self-exile in Iraqi Kurdistan,[3] was the first member of Amini's family to speak to the media after her death.[4] He debunked claims by the Iranian government that Amini was involved in any politics.[3] Instead, Amini has been described as having been a “shy, reserved resident” of her hometown[5] who avoided politics, was never politically active as a teenager, and was not an activist.[6] Amini’s family have described her as having no prior health conditions, and as being a “healthy” 22 year old, contrasting the claims made by the Iranian government that she possessed prior health condition.[7]

Sources from enWP[edit]

  1. Mahsa Amini was 'tortured and insulted' before death in police custody in Iran, her cousin says, Sky news, 26 September 2022
  2. Family Frantically Searched for Iranian Woman After Arrest, Voa news, September 29, 2022
  3. 3.0 3.1 Staff, The New Arab (2022-09-26). "Mahsa Amini was 'insulted and tortured' before death: cousin". english.alaraby.co.uk/. Retrieved 2022-10-08.
  4. Iran: Mahsa Amini was 'insulted and tortured' before her death, cousin tells UK media, The New Arab, 26 September 2022
  5. Iranian woman whose death led to mass protests was shy and avoided politics
  6. Who was Mahsa Amini, the face of mass protests in Iran
  7. "Iranians are Furious after a Young Woman Dies While in Custody of the Hijab Police". Zamaneh Media. 2022-09-16. Retrieved 2022-10-08.

Her death has sparked feminist protests. Is there a better way than to use this "occupation" to show the influende her death had? Something like "Known for"? In the quote above it is claimed she was admitted to university to study law. I think student should be added to occupation. --LittleGun (talk) 06:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC) LittleGun (talk) 06:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I could not add ocuupation law student myself. I guess the item have restricted access.--LittleGun (talk) 06:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth[edit]

Her date of birth is September 22, 1999, according to her father in these sources: [2] and [3]. Currently it said July 22, 2000. I am not sure about the protocol at Wikidata, but I changed the ranks to deprecated and preffered respectively, but I would rather delete the previous one.--LittleGun (talk) 07:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC) ==[reply]

Mahsa[edit]

Hi, please someone take care of it. Wikipedia is not a place to express personal opinion without proof, why did they confidently write that he was killed by the government because you are against the government, it is not a reason to register your personal opinion, please take care of Farsi Wiki. Saman1378 (talk) 08:29, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Saman1378: it has been approved by editors of Farsi, Kurdish and English wikipedia that Mahsa's death was not the result of a cardiac arrest!
The farsi description (on wikidata) is not my "personal opinion", it comes directly from farsi wikipedia (the claim is backed by sources available at Farsi wikipedia).
Matingholami (talk) 20:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]