Property talk:P97

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noble title
titles held by the person
Representsroyal or noble rank (Q355567)
Data typeItem
Domain
According to this template: persons
According to statements in the property:
human (Q5), legendary figure (Q13002315), fictional character (Q95074) and character that may be fictional (Q21070598)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuesrank or title (generally a single item) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleBaron Sandhurst (Q4862782)baron (Q165503)
Tracking: sameroyal or noble rank (Q355567)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P97 (Q23909072)
See alsosocial classification (P3716)
Lists
Proposal discussionOriginally created without a formal discussion
Current uses36,543
Search for values
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Item “sex or gender (P21): Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Item P21, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Value type “royal or noble rank (Q355567), political function in fiction (Q17468125): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value royal or noble rank (Q355567), political function in fiction (Q17468125) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Value type Q355567, Q17468125, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), followed by (P156), follows (P155), series ordinal (P1545), conferred by (P1027), of (P642): this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Allowed qualifiers, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Conflicts with “given name (P735): Duke (Q28056109), King (Q18508917): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Conflicts with P735, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (noble title (P97)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Contemporary, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)

Deletion discussion[edit]

There's a discussion whether this property should be deprecated and deleted at requests for deletion. /Ch1902 (talk) 16:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Undelete[edit]

I have undeleted this property per discussion at Wikidata_talk:Notability#Exception_for_titles_of_rulers.2C_nobles.2C_peers_and_chivalric_orders. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 15:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


How to populate?[edit]

There seem to be quite a lot of lists, categories and navigation boxes at Wikipedia that could be used to populate this field, but none seem to be exactly straightforward.

How could we go about it? --- Jura 07:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Broadened to "hereditary title"[edit]

I have broadened the English definition to hereditary title as conceptually that is what we are talking, and royal and noble after that are of variable cultural difference. Even within the UK system baronetcies were not noble titles, just inheritable gentry titles (according to enWP), and there was no collective to assign them. I hope that meets the approval of the community.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

To note that for UK, it seems that baronetcies are part of the aristocracy, but not peers/nobles, ie. called to parliament for the House of Lords, which is the simplest difference that I can determine, and for me that makes a very country specific determination that seems less applicable for WD.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a similar issue with the property "noble family" (Property:P53). --- Jura 14:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)


Creation of title (1st, 2nd, etc)[edit]

For https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q202802&lang=en how shall we specify the creation of the title? series ordinal (P1545) can work for the numbering within a creation, but we might need a distinct one to specify the creation. foundational text (P457) or a new item based one could work. --- Jura 17:10, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Use for hereditary non-noble statuses?[edit]

Is this property usable for hereditary non-noble statuses? I'm looking for what property to use for kohanim. It's not technically a noble title by most definitions, and doesn't match position held, member of, ethnic group, or anything other properties that I can think of other than instance of (P31). The label of this property has been switched back and forth between noble title and hereditary title, so I can't tell what the domain is supposed to be. --Yair rand (talk) 07:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

hereditary title seems to be ok but only if it include all titles noble and non-noble. Geagea (talk) 09:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)