Property talk:P779

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Church of Sweden Pastoratskod
identifier for a pastoral district of the Church of Sweden
DescriptionPastoral district code (Pastoratskod) (Q10621603), an administrative level between Parish and Diocese for the Church of Sweden (the Church of Sweden is still not completely separated from the administrative division of the nation, but it will shortly in the future)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domain
According to this template: Parish of Sweden - parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980)
According to statements in the property:
parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values\d{6}
Example
According to this template: 100109 for Nora-Skogs församling (Q10601889)
According to statements in the property:
Husaby (Q627556) → 030708
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Robot and gadget jobsGather data from template "församlingsfakta" from field "pastoratskod"
Related to countryFlag of Sweden.svg Sweden (Q34) (See 60 others)
See alsoChurch of Sweden parish code (P778), Church of Sweden ID (P5048)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses1,360
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[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Single value, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Format “\d{6}: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Type “parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#type Q615980, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “country (P17): Sweden (Q34): Items with this property should also have “country (P17): Sweden (Q34)”. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P779#Item P17, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)


Unique value?[edit]

I believe this constraint should be removed, since there are many cases where there are several parish of the Church of Sweden (Q615980) with the same Pastoral district code (Pastoratskod) (Q10621603). Or am I wrong, Innocent bystander? Ainali (talk) 07:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I am far from an expert in the organisation of Svenska Kyrkan, but isn't this in reality a problem derived from that we do not have many real articles about Pastorat. That they instead are located in the Parish? And it is maybe only Pastorat who should have P779? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I am no expert either, but judging from the Wikipedia articles it looks like Q10698282, Q10717102, Q10688993, Almundsryd (Q10406575), Q10562846, Q10725645 and Q10711099 all should have value 060113 for P779. Ainali (talk) 08:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Looks like either this or the type constraint should be changed.
--- Jura 08:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
My father was employed by a "pastorat", but he worked in several parishes. That is maybe the key to this question. A "pastorat" is a legal organisation, while the parish is more of geographic entity? @Yger, Tostarpadius: who also have or have had relations to "Svenska kyrkan" maybe can tell us more? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
There is a problem with the English terminology used for the Swedish distinction. One "pastorat" may consist of several "församlingar". Sometimes the first word is translated "parish" and the second "congregation". I do not know if that is correct. Tostarpadius (talk) 22:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Församling is the basic level of the Swedish Church. There also exist församlingsråd which have little actual power. Pastorat is in many ways a partical working body who empoloyes personell and which have several församlingar it supports. When a "pastorat" only supports one församling, no pastorat exist. Som pastorat is a mess, församlingar is not a mess.Yger (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like the same problem as at Property_talk:P2788.
--- Jura 10:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)