Property talk:P5448

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upper limit
upper limit of a range or an interval; (qualifier) used with a dummy value which specifies the type of the range or interval
Data typeQuantity
Domainset (Q36161)
Allowed valuesany (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed unitsany (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example
According to this template: see sample on Property talk:P5446
According to statements in the property:
red blood cell count (Q48632255) → 5.55 trillion cells per liter
closed interval from -1 to 1 (Q21813730) → 1
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Sourcew:en:Reference ranges for blood tests, w:en:Clinical urine tests, etc. (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
See alsolower limit (P5447)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/reference value
Current uses46
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Scope is as qualifiers (Q54828449), as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5448#scope
Item “reference value (P5446): reference range as qualifier (Q55426051): Items with this property should also have “reference value (P5446): reference range as qualifier (Q55426051)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5448#Item P5446, SPARQL
Type “set (Q36161): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “set (Q36161)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5448#Type Q36161, SPARQL

Constraint[edit]

@Infovarius: Should the property be used for sets for discrete sets which only contain a specific group of numbers within a range (i.e. integers or 0 for singleton of 0 (Q47342419) and others)? I'm not sure how this is supposed to be defined, and it currently displays a constraint violation on that item. Jc86035 (talk) 07:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

It was proposed as a qualifier to another property. Please re-read the description.
--- Jura 08:00, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
No, it is not restricted to the qualifier of reference value (P5446) [1]. --Okkn (talk) 08:13, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
As I read it, it's meant to be a qualifier, not a main property. You even call it "general qualifier". As I understood it, the property can be different (or the property value different from Q55426051), but it would still be a qualifier.
--- Jura 08:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I presented closed interval from -1 to 1 (Q21813730) as an example, and suggested that "these properties can be used as usual properties" [2]. --Okkn (talk) 08:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Somehow I missed that as I don't think it was added to the proposal template. I don't think there is a need to add yet another way of specifying things (5th or 6th).
--- Jura 08:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Original descriptions of lower limit (P5447) and upper limit (P5448) in the proposal were consists of two parts, and I intended that the former part can be applied to both main property and qualifier... --Okkn (talk) 08:54, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jura1, Okkn: Statement/qualifier restriction aside, can the properties be used on non-continuous ranges, such as those which only contain integers (e.g. set of prime numbers (Q47370614) – lower limit 2; set of non-positive integers (Q47379086) – upper limit 0)? Jc86035 (talk) 09:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jc86035: I think that's reasonable, and I have no reason to oppose it. --Okkn (talk) 09:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Okkn: I've changed the type constraint for both properties to set (Q36161). Incidentally, are these always inclusive of the limits (i.e. could set of positive real numbers (Q47494165) have lower limit (P5447) 0), or must this be inferred from something like instance of (P31)open set (Q213363)? Jc86035 (talk) 09:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I thought it was just a sub-optimal description, as the samples indicated use as qualifier. I should probably propose this for deletion then.
--- Jura 09:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Not adding examples was my lack of consideration, but the changes of these descriptions were according to this Was a bee's question. I chose to make these properties be able to use everywhere. I think there is no need to delete. --Okkn (talk) 09:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)