Property talk:P5187

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word stem
word stem of the subject lexeme
Representsstem (Q210523)
Data typeMonolingual text
Example
  • 行う (ja) → "行" (ja), "おこな" (ja-Hira)
  • 美しい (ja) → "美し" (ja), "うつくし" (ja-Hira)
  • 綺麗だ (ja) → "綺麗" (ja), "きれい" (ja-Hira)
  • 率いる (ja) → "率" (ja), "ひき" (ja-Hira)
  • する (ja)no value
  • Lexeme:L47 → aim
(note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property Wikidata property example (P1855), Wikidata property example for properties (P2271), Wikidata property example for lexemes (P5192), Wikidata property example for forms (P5193) or Wikidata property example for senses (P5977))
See alsoconjugation class (P5186), combines (P5238)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/word stem
Current uses602
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Allowed entity types are lexeme (Q51885771): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5187#allowed entity types, hourly updated report, SPARQL (new)

Format: "porta", "port-a", or "port[a]"[edit]

Which form should be used on Lexeme:L1642 (Latin portare). I think an indication of the part of the stem that is replaced in conjugation would be helpful. I used "port-a" for now.
--- Jura 11:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jura1: first a detail but this property is limited to Japanese. I would be preferable to change that before using it on non-Japanese verb.
Then, good question. Port-a could fit. But wouldn't it be better to use multiple values? Here it would be port and porta (which are the perfect stem and the present stem, if I recall correctly my Latin, that can be indicated in qualifier).
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Link missing[edit]

@Jura1, VIGNERON: This property was proposed with the motivation: "needed to determine the manner of conjugation of Japanese verbs and adjectives". If we use it for word stems in general how can I create a link from Assoziationsüberschuss (Lexeme:L2169) to:

--Zitatesammler (talk) 13:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Zitatesammler: I wouldn't use it for « word stems in general », but only of « stem of a verb in general » (and it's already debatable).
Anyhow, this property is a monolingual string so it's not possible to link to lexemes. For your case, I think it's not really stems but compounds and there is a proposal for that Wikidata:Property proposal/compound of.
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Extension to all verbs[edit]

@Okkn, Jura1, Fnielsen, Şêr, Kareyac: (top-5 users of this property)

Any objection to extend this property to all verbs? (and maybe all lexemes?)

At least, I suggest to add non-Japanese examples (that can be taken among the WhatLinksHere).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 15:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: I think there is no problem to use this property on non-Japanese lexemes. In addition, I have added this property not only to Japanese verbs, but also to Japanese adjectival nouns (such as Lexeme:L2454). --Okkn (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
@VIGNERON: Symbol support vote.svg Support in general. Can it confict with derived from (P5191) ? - Kareyac (talk) 16:28, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Word stems cannot be an independent Lexeme, so this property won't conflict with derived from (P5191). --Okkn (talk) 04:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
    • @Kareyac: How could it conflict? As I seen it, the first property is about etymology while the second is about morphology and first property is linking to another lexeme while the second is a monolingual text. But maybe I'm missing something here. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
    • @Okkn: @VIGNERON: Now its more clear to me. Thanks for explanation. - Kareyac (talk) 14:32, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I must admit that I did not see that it was restricted to Japanese verbs. I have used it for all kinds of lexemes. The Q item linked (stem (Q210523)) is the general notion of stem, — not just Japanese. I am wondering whether there is something special about the Japanese notion of stem that warrrants its own property? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done documentation changed Special:Diff/695698956. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)