Property talk:P5187

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word stem
word stem of the subject lexeme
Representsstem (Q210523)
Data typeMonolingual text
Example
  • 行う (ja) → "行" (ja), "おこな" (ja-Hira)
  • 美しい (ja) → "美し" (ja), "うつくし" (ja-Hira)
  • 綺麗だ (ja) → "綺麗" (ja), "きれい" (ja-Hira)
  • 率いる (ja) → "率" (ja), "ひき" (ja-Hira)
  • する (ja)no value
  • Lexeme:L47 → aim
(note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property Wikidata property example (P1855) or Wikidata property example for properties (P2271))
See alsoconjugation class (P5186), compound of (P5238)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/word stem
Current uses4
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Allowed entity types are lexeme (Q51885771): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5187#allowed entity types, hourly updated report

Format: "porta", "port-a", or "port[a]"[edit]

Which form should be used on Lexeme:L1642 (Latin portare). I think an indication of the part of the stem that is replaced in conjugation would be helpful. I used "port-a" for now.
--- Jura 11:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jura1: first a detail but this property is limited to Japanese. I would be preferable to change that before using it on non-Japanese verb.
Then, good question. Port-a could fit. But wouldn't it be better to use multiple values? Here it would be port and porta (which are the perfect stem and the present stem, if I recall correctly my Latin, that can be indicated in qualifier).
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Link missing[edit]

@Jura1, VIGNERON: This property was proposed with the motivation: "needed to determine the manner of conjugation of Japanese verbs and adjectives". If we use it for word stems in general how can I create a link from Assoziationsüberschuss (Lexeme:L2169) to:

--Zitatesammler (talk) 13:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Zitatesammler: I wouldn't use it for « word stems in general », but only of « stem of a verb in general » (and it's already debatable).
Anyhow, this property is a monolingual string so it's not possible to link to lexemes. For your case, I think it's not really stems but compounds and there is a proposal for that Wikidata:Property proposal/compound of.
Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Extension to all verbs[edit]

@Okkn, Jura1, Fnielsen, Şêr, Kareyac: (top-5 users of this property)

Any objection to extend this property to all verbs? (and maybe all lexemes?)

At least, I suggest to add non-Japanese examples (that can be taken among the WhatLinksHere).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 15:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: I think there is no problem to use this property on non-Japanese lexemes. In addition, I have added this property not only to Japanese verbs, but also to Japanese adjectival nouns (such as Lexeme:L2454). --Okkn (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
@VIGNERON: Symbol support vote.svg Support in general. Can it confict with derived from (P5191) ? - Kareyac (talk) 16:28, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Word stems cannot be an independent Lexeme, so this property won't conflict with derived from (P5191). --Okkn (talk) 04:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
    • @Kareyac: How could it conflict? As I seen it, the first property is about etymology while the second is about morphology and first property is linking to another lexeme while the second is a monolingual text. But maybe I'm missing something here. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
    • @Okkn: @VIGNERON: Now its more clear to me. Thanks for explanation. - Kareyac (talk) 14:32, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I must admit that I did not see that it was restricted to Japanese verbs. I have used it for all kinds of lexemes. The Q item linked (stem (Q210523)) is the general notion of stem, — not just Japanese. I am wondering whether there is something special about the Japanese notion of stem that warrrants its own property? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done documentation changed Special:Diff/695698956. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)