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Norwegian historical register of persons ID
Identificator for a person in the Norwegian historical register of persons

Description	Identificator for a person in the Norwegian historical register of persons
Applicable "stated in" value	historical register of persons (Q25601729)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5) with country of citizenship (P27) : Norway (Q20) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values	According to this template: pf\d+ According to statements in the property: p[a-z]\d+|PF([a-z][0-9A-Z]+|U\d{7})|FNG\d{13}|POL(s[et]|ra)\d{8} When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Example	Roald Amundsen (Q926) → pf01053257046634 Einar Gerhardsen (Q164346) → pf01037045113601 Alfred Ingvald Naess (Q4317707) → pe00000001151405
Source	http://histreg.no/
Formatter URL	http://histreg.no/index.php/person/$1
Related to country	Norway (Q20) (See 97 others)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 9,639 Main statement 9,190 out of 2,539,594 (0% complete) 95.3% of uses Qualifier 3 <0.1% of uses Reference 446 4.6% of uses
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Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Item “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Item P31, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL

Format “p[a-z]\d+|PF([a-z][0-9A-Z]+|U\d{7})|FNG\d{13}|POL(s[et]|ra)\d{8}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Format, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Scope, SPARQL

Label required in languages: nb: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: nb (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Label in 'nb' language, search, SPARQL

Label required in languages: nn: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: nn (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Label in 'nn' language, search, SPARQL

Item “family name (P734)”: Items with this property should also have “family name (P734)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4574#Item P734, search, SPARQL

Single value constraint

Use of single-value constraint (Q19474404) is wrong in this case, there can be several identifiers for one and the same person. Jeblad (talk) 06:11, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Ser slikt ut ja. Skal vi bare fjerne single-value constraint (Q19474404) da? Hilsen Kjetil_r (talk) 09:54, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Tok ut denne nå. Hilsen Kjetil_r (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Country for this item

Not sure about country (P17) for this property. The authorities of the ids are sited in Norway, especially HistReg itself, but the described subjects are not necessarily Norwegians. Not really sure what P17 describes in this case. Jeblad (talk) 06:14, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Formatter URL

Note that the formatter URL is not according to the proposal, but that https://histreg.no is correct. Digitalakrkivet has the actual data, while HistReg has the person record. For our purpose the HistReg landing page is correct, it acts as a proxy for the other sites. Jeblad (talk) 06:19, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

How to create an entry at HDR

Birgit Tollefsen Strickland writes in September 2019: "Just click on the blue box: Søk etter lignende personer (look for a similar person) and fill in first name (Fornavn) last name (Etternavn),Year born (Fødselsår) Date of birth (Fødselsdato), Place of birth (Fødested). I only filled in a few of these info and got good results for what I was looking for. First, click on histreg.no to get you to the site." --RAN (talk) 23:14, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

How to create an entry at HDR

HDR at http://histreg.no contains entries matching those from the Digital Archives of Norway. These entries have the potential to be aggregated under one common ID number. For instance the Digital Archives of Norway contains entries for each person in the 1865 Norway census and the 1875 Norway census. The same person will have an entry in each census already at HDR and it is possible to aggregate them under one ID.

For instance https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000001151405 is the url at the Digital Archives of Norway for the emigration of Alfred Ingvald Naess (Q4317707). From the search page of HDR at http://histreg.no (Søksiden) there is a place to cut and paste the ID from the document at Digital Archives of Norway. I added "pe00000001151405" and this has the "Norwegian historical register of persons ID" for Alfred Naess. "pe00000001151405" is not a unique ID since it is also the ID for the emigration document at the Digital Archives of Norway. See http://histreg.no/index.php/person/pe00000001151405 This has led to confusion by users (see the discussion on adding the ID to Wikidata and some comments on this page).

The next step is to aggregate the multiple entries into a single ID. Go to one entry at HDR and the hit the blue button that translates as "Search for similar people" then hit "search". Check the boxes of the ones you want to aggregate. Click "Add to cart". Click on the documents again, then hit "Link together". This should link them, but the process is not intuitive.

At HDR birth and death information can be added and there is room for a biography. You can also link to other members of the family at HDR by adding in their "Norwegian historical register of persons ID". --RAN (talk) 16:33, 22 September 2019 (UTC)