Property talk:P4059

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Irish National Monument ID
identifier of a structure, in National Monument database of Ireland, maintained by Heritage Ireland
Representsnational monument of Ireland (Q893802)
Associated itemHeritage Ireland (Q13130500)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter|designation1_number= in en:Template:Infobox Historic Site
Domaincultural heritage monuments of Ireland (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*(,\d+)?
ExampleDrombeg stone circle (Q1260144) → 381
Carlow Castle (Q33530) → 306
Sourcehttp://www.heritageireland.ie/en/info/aboutus/nationalmonuments/
Related to countryFlag of Ireland.svg Ireland (Q27) (See 19 others)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/Irish National Monument No.
Current uses413
Search for values
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), Wikimedia category (Q4167836): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “country (P17): Ireland (Q27): Items with this property should also have “country (P17): Ireland (Q27)”. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Item P17, hourly updated report, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “located in the administrative territorial entity (P131): Items with this property should also have “located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Item P131, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “image (P18): Items with this property should also have “image (P18)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Item P18, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “Commons category (P373): Items with this property should also have “Commons category (P373)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Item P373, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “coordinate location (P625): Items with this property should also have “coordinate location (P625)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Item P625, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Format “[1-9]\d*(,\d+)?”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P4059#Format, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)


National monument numbers are not distinct[edit]

Currently, the per-county monument lists in en:wp are based on the corresponding lists of the official index of per-county monument lists. Take, for example, this list for County Kerry where a summary of the database is given including a all fields. The seventh and last field is for the national monument number (this corresponds to this property) which I would like to quote in full:

When a monument is taken into State ownership or guardianship its details are added to a National Monuments Register. In the earlier years, when a number of monuments were taken in State care at the same time, they were all given the same register number e.g. the monuments on the Dingle peninsula are all registered under number 221. Similarly, groups of monument such as the passage tombs at Lough Crew will have the same registration number. The register is not entirely up-to-date with the result that some of the more recent acquisitions have yet to be assigned numbers.

This is the reason why some of the Irish national monument numbers are assigned to multiple objects. The above mentioned national monument number 221 has been, among many others, assigned to Arraglen Ogham Stone (Q48797670), Ballywiheen (Q2128513), and Caherdorgan North (Q1025759). Hence, we should drop the distinct value constraint. --AFBorchert (talk) 21:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Format constraint[edit]

This property has currently a format constraint with the following regular expression “[1-9]\d*(,\d+)?” which was in the original proposal. Currently, the per-county monument lists in en:wp are based on the corresponding lists of the official index of per-county monument lists which were released in 2009. Take, for example, this list for County Mayo where we find national monument numbers with differ from the format constraint as they are suffixed by a upper case letter, e.g. “222A” for Burriscarra Abbey (Q28232580), “222B” for Castle Carra (Q28232579), or “99A” for St. Dairbhile's Church (Q17276540) wheras “99” has been assigned to Inishglora (Q3778602).

As pointed out by MisterSynergy and refered to in the original proposal there exists also an older spreadsheet from 2003 which uses suffixes, followed by varying number of digits. These numbers are matched by the regular expression above. In this spreadsheet, St. Dairbhile's Church (Q17276540) got the number “99,01” and Inishglora (Q3778602) was assigned “99,02”. However, I haven't seen these numbers anywhere else and this list from 2003 has apparently been superseded by those from 2009 referenced above.

Hence, I would like to suggest to replace the regular expression by “[1-9]\d*[A-Z]?” to accomodate suffixed numbers like “222A” or “222B” and to use the numbers from 2009 until the next update. Any objections? --AFBorchert (talk) 21:59, 13 June 2018 (UTC)