Property talk:P364

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original language of work
language in which a film or a performance work was originally created. Deprecated for written works; use P407 ("language of work or name") instead.
Description Language in which the movie was created. Use language of work or name (P407) for other works. Use native language (P103) or languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) for persons.
Represents original language (Q21707202)
Data type Item
Domain work (Q386724)
Allowed values any languoid (Q17376908), mainly languages - language (Q34770) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Usage notes brukes ikke for bøker
Tracking: same no label (Q42533249)
Tracking: usage Category:Pages using Wikidata property P364 (Q20990015)
Proposal discussion Property proposal/Archive/4#P364
Current uses 221,801
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Type “work (Q386724): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “work (Q386724)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)).
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P364#Type Q386724, SPARQL
Value type “languoid (Q17376908): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value languoid (Q17376908) (or a subclass thereof).
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P364#Value type Q17376908, SPARQL
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): filmography (Q1371849), Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), Wikimedia category (Q4167836), Wikimedia project page (Q14204246), Wikimedia template (Q11266439), fictional universe (Q559618): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P364#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

rename to "language"[edit]

Sorry, I did not notice this property, but I think this property should be renamed to language.

  • We should have a different item for each different tranlsation of a book (see for instance Wikidata Talk:Books task force#Relations between books). That means that we should add a language property to each edition, not just the original one. We also need to have a way to know which item is the original edition. The original language is usally just the language of the original version. For more problematic cases, we can use qualifiers.
  • I am not sure we need items for every dubbing of a movie, but it seems fine to use "language" for the original language. (that is what en:Infobox film does it).
  • There are cases "original language" does not apply, but a "language" property would still be useful. For instance, we should be able to say that the Rosetta Stone contains inscriptions in Greek. --Zolo (talk) 12:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

One minor problem there may be with calling it "language" is that collides with "native language" (P:P103). As explained on Property talk:P103, I think that it would make sense to extend P103 that a person speaks non-natively. It we do that, I would think it would make sense to also merge that with this property. --Zolo (talk) 22:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Now I came here from Property talk:P357 and you send me to Property talk:P103. I think it's not the best idea to merge all these properties ... --Kolja21 (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

single value[edit]

there are lots of films and other works that have two or more original languages. the single value constraint should be removed. --Akkakk 00:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

They may have, but I wonder if we don't get primarily lists of available synchronizations on the constraint report. --  Docu  at 18:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I´ve removed the single value constraint. It does not help in any way in fixing, because allmost all reports are not errors.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

renamed label[edit]

I removed the "(creative work)" addition from the label. There are about 800 properties and no other have an addition like this. It's part of the description to explain the usage. --Nightwish62 (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Does it make sense as qualifier?[edit]

I added a qualifier original language of work (P364) with value Swedish (Q9027) inside claim for occupation (P106) with value translator (Q333634) in Barbara Gawryluk (Q15069307). I wonder whether it makes some sense or such things shall be avoided. It does not tell about preferred direction of translating. There can be also cases when translation is performed between two foreign languages. I saw an interview with a Polish translator who worked in EU and was performing live translation from English to French and back. Paweł Ziemian (talk) 19:36, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

That is clearly inappropriate since this is intended for material that is translated, not the translator. Circeus (talk) 23:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Given names and new label ("language" changed to "language of work")[edit]

Ash Crow
Harmonia Amanda
Чаховіч Уладзіслаў
Place Clichy
Jon Harald Søby
Sight Contamination
Pictogram voting comment.svg Notified participants of WikiProject Names

This property is used on many items for given names. The new label doesn't quite work there. What to do? --- Jura 07:46, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

this property is, and always was, intended for texts (books, articles), or films…, to indicate the "original language" - its use for given names seems quite strange :S --Hsarrazin (talk) 19:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, with the old label, it went fairly well ;)
Would we need to create a new property or could we use another existing one? --- Jura 19:48, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I went with the first solution: Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#Language --- Jura 05:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I changed the labels to prevent people to use it for persons. There were thousands of constraining errors because it was frequently mixed up, and people would not notice the difference without changing the labels, because they dont look at the descriptions. In some languages labels and/or descriptions are missing so users don´t understand it to full extent.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 05:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. --- Jura 05:37, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
What about language of work or name (P407)? --Infovarius (talk) 08:32, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Decision is to delete; mark as deprecated[edit]

Wioshing to note that a while agpo, the deletion discussion was closed with the decision to be to delete this property. See Special:PermanentLink/503196290#language of work or name (P407) and original language of work (P364)./ I have marked the English language as deprecated, others may wish to do the same for other languages.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:47, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it was "to merge" and "don't start any mass changes yet.". We still haven't seen a solution for movies yet. For books and similar works, you might want to develop a plan how to sort things out as well.
--- Jura 14:04, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Jura1: As WD:PFD#Movies said, no Wikidata:WikiProject Movies members are focusing to keep this property, so let's feel free to split movie items like Q29478369, Q29478260 and others. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
The solution suggested there was dicussed numerous times before, but wasn't consider sufficient. Maybe it's better to focus on getting books sorted out rather than undoing what was built.
--- Jura 04:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)