Property talk:P243

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OCLC control number
identifier from the Online Computer Library Center
DescriptionOnline Computer Library Center (Q190593) numeric book identifier, similar to ISBN but without date restriction, and aggregates above the edition level.
RepresentsOnline Computer Library Center (Q190593), WorldCat (Q846596)
Associated item
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameteren:Template:OCLC, "OCLC" in en:template:infobox journal
Domain
According to this template: work (Q386724), mainly book (Q571) and Q1092563 (but not individual version, edition, or translation (Q3331189))
According to statements in the property:
version, edition, or translation (Q3331189) and periodical literature (Q1002697)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values0*[1-9]\d*
ExampleIso suomen kielioppi (Q4413440)57722711 (RDF)
Sourcehttp://www.oclc.org/batchload/controlnumber.en.html
Formatter URLhttps://www.worldcat.org/oclc/$1
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P243 (Q27478249)
See alsoOCLC work ID (P5331), WorldCat Registry ID (P5505), Depósito Legal ID (P6164)
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/Archive/3#P243
Current uses86,184
Search for values
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Format “\d+”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P243#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P243#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Known exceptions: Herald of KNUTE (Q12093473)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P243#Single value, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Type “version, edition, or translation (Q3331189), periodical literature (Q1002697): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “version, edition, or translation (Q3331189), periodical literature (Q1002697)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P243#Type Q3331189, Q1002697, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Scope is: the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P243#scope, SPARQL (new)
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P243#allowed entity types, SPARQL (new)
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): human (Q5): this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P243#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)


Pattern ^(((https?://(www\.)?worldcat\.org/)?identities/)?lccn\-)?(n|nb|nr|no|ns|sh)([4-9][0-9]|00|20[0-1][0-9])\-?([0-9]{6})/?$ will be automatically replaced to \5\6\7 and moved to Library of Congress authority ID (P244) property.
Testing: TODO list

Pattern ^(((https?://(www\.)?worldcat\.org/)?identities/)?lccn\-)?(n|nb|nr|no|ns|sh)([4-9][0-9]|00|20[0-1][0-9])\-?([0-9]{5})/?$ will be automatically replaced to \5\60\7 and moved to Library of Congress authority ID (P244) property.
Testing: TODO list

Pattern ^(((https?://(www\.)?worldcat\.org/)?identities/)?lccn\-)?(n|nb|nr|no|ns|sh)([4-9][0-9]|00|20[0-1][0-9])\-?([0-9]{4})/?$ will be automatically replaced to \5\600\7 and moved to Library of Congress authority ID (P244) property.
Testing: TODO list

Pattern ^((https?://(www\.)?worldcat\.org/)?identities/)?viaf\-(0*[1-9]\d*)/?$ will be automatically replaced to \4 and moved to VIAF ID (P214) property.
Testing: TODO list

format constraint[edit]

set the pattern to [1-9][0-9]*, so only numbers are allowed --Akkakk 23:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

leading zeros seem to be allowed, changed it to [0-9]+ --Akkakk 10:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Format display[edit]

I don't know much about this, but should it not be displayed as www.worldcat.org/oclc/XXXXXX, clickable? Littledogboy (talk) 22:49, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support I also think that this should be link to WorldCat. --朝彦/Asahiko (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Hm... When I added an OCLC it wasn't clickable at first, but became clickable when I reloaded. Well now I know how that works. --朝彦/Asahiko (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Editions[edit]

Perhaps "(but not individual edition (Q3331189)" should be removed from above. Different editions (and even different formats of the same edition) have different numbers. Hazmat2 (talk) 15:31, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

oclc links to several versions of a book[edit]

I am getting a warning that my oclc link is being used by another entity. It is being used by the other entity properly. The oclc is a list of several hard copies of a book a couple which have been scanned and are available online. Q50852923 and Q51472682 --RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


Different OCLC numbers for the same edition[edit]

I have the reverse problem: There are in same cases (especially old books in German) different OCLC numbers for the same edition of the same book (all examples concern the same work, but different editions and volumes):


  • First example Q56426615 – second edition of the second volume:
  • 473154002: Ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges deutsch-lateinisches Lexicon oder Wörterbuch zur Übung in der lateinischen Sprache; Autor: Imman Joh Gerhard Scheller.
Correctly the author name is not treated as part of the title of the edition.
  • 1003957837: Imman. Joh. Gerhard Schellers ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges Deutsch-Lateinisches Lexicon oder Wörterbuch zur übung in der Lateinischen Sprache; Autor: Immanuel Johan Gerhard Schellers [sic!].
The author name is treated as part of the title ('Schellers' is the w:genitive of the name 'Scheller' - so in English it would be like: 'Imman. Joh. Gerhard Schellers book "Ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges Deutsch-Lateinisches Lexicon"' or 'the book of Imman. Joh. Gerhard Scheller 'Ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges Deutsch-Lateinisches Lexicon'".
(By the way, contrary to OCLC, this volume has not "xxxx, 2839 pages". Rather it has xxxx pages + 2839 columns.)


  • Second example Q56433224 – as well the second volume, but the first edition:
  • 311252944: Imman. Joh. Gerhard Schellers ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges lateinisch-deutsches und deutsch-lateinisches Lexicon oder Wörterbuch. 2, Deutsch-lateinischer Theil. ([6] Blätter, 1984 Sp., [3] Blätter)
  • 758002832: Imman. Joh. Gerhard Schellers lateinisch-deutsches und deutsch-lateinisches Lexicon oder Wörterbuch : deutsch-lateinischer Theil. (1984 Sp)
In the second case the words 'ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges' from the title are lost and same pages are not counted; but in reality both OCLC numbers refer to same edition, as the identical number of columns (in German: 'Spalten') and the same year of publication etc. (Leipzig : Fritsch, 1784) indicate.


  • Third example Q56379945 – the first volume of the first edition:
  • 311984954: Imman. Joh. Gerhard Schellers ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges lateinisch-deutsches und deutsch-lateinisches Lexicon oder Wörterbuch. 1, Lateinisch-deutscher Theil
Again, the author name is treated as part of the title.
  • 917559606: Ausführliches und möglichst vollständiges lateinisch-deutsches Lexicon oder Wörterbuch, zum Behufe der Erklärung der Alten und Übung in der lateinischen Sprache. [1], Latinische-deutscher Theil; Autor: Immanuel Johann Gerhard Scheller
Correctly the author name is not treated as part of the title. However, "Latinische-deutscher Theil" is misspelled: rather it should be 'Latinisch-deutscher Theil'.


(For the structure of the entire work cfr.: Bitte prüfen und (Geschmacks)Urteile und andere Bewertungen abgeben. Further items should be created, especially for the 3rd edition.)

--Villa loga-WB (talk) 07:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Type constraint: need an addition[edit]

This should allow items of type "newspaper". See, for example: Q7760062 -Pete F (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

About 5,600 journals know their OCLC-Control nr. which is already correct to identify the journal in the Worldcat.
PREFIX psn: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/statement/value-normalized/>

SELECT ?journal ?journalLabel ?OCLC_Worldcat WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?journal wdt:P31 wd:Q5633421.
  ?journal p:P243 ?OCLC_ID.
  ?OCLC_ID psn:P243 ?OCLC_Worldcat.
}
Try it!
This OCLC-ID is also available in the journal metadata stored in the German Union Catalogue of Serials (Q186844). It's fully correct to make a restriction for books on the edition/manifestiation level, but for journals that won't work. Mfchris84 (talk) 11:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mfchris84: I wish I could understand what you're trying to tell me, but I can't. I guess I lack the technical expertise. Are you able to make whatever correction you're suggesting to Q7760062? If I could see an example, maybe I would be able to do better with the dozens or hundreds of newspaper entries I expect to work on. -Pete F (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: my aim was to underpin your statement, that we need OCLC control number (P243) for periodical literature. Even that journals in wikidata won't be modeled like books (with work, version/edition level and item level). Maybe @Pasleim: could explain his change on this property here. Mfchris84 (talk) 06:39, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I see -- sorry to misunderstand. I'll keep an eye on the discussion. -Pete F (talk) 18:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: I forgot to mention that I already added the type constraint class periodical literature (Q1002697). So actual there won't be type constraint warnings on oclc-id by newspapers.