Property talk:P1627

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Ethnologue.com code
identifier for a language in ethnologue.com
Descriptionen:Ethnologue language code
Associated item
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter"sil" in pl:Template:Język infobox
Domain
According to this template: languages
According to statements in the property:
languoid (Q17376908)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values[a-z]{3}
ExamplePolish (Q809)pol
Sourcehttps://www.ethnologue.com/codes/download-code-tables
Formatter URLhttps://www.ethnologue.com/language/$1
Lists
Proposal discussionProperty proposal/Archive/27#P1627
Current uses380
Search for values
[create] Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here
Format “[a-z]{3}”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1627#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Type “languoid (Q17376908): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “languoid (Q17376908)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1627#Type Q17376908, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1627#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value), SPARQL (new)
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1627#Single value, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “ISO 639-3 code (P220): Items with this property should also have “ISO 639-3 code (P220)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1627#Item P220, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
Item “Ethnologue language status (P3823): Items with this property should also have “Ethnologue language status (P3823)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1627#Item P3823, search, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)

Code sources[edit]

Error in proposal[edit]

The proposal refers

That means the Polish Wikipedia does not use the value as described, but mixes two systems of codes, namely ISO codes and SIL codes into one field named "sil". The lower case codes since ed. 15 are the same as the ISO 639-3 codes. Compare

SIL itself is not referring to "pol" as SIL code. Andrea Shan (talk) 01:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I changed the documentation and added PQL to Polish [1].

In the last 24 hours lower case codes where added to several pages, without giving reference for the code. I changed some, and also added a format constraint, so the lower case using items will hopefully soon be listed as constraint violations - or fixed. Andrea Shan (talk) 01:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

On pl.wiki there are mixed values in language infoboxes (about 60% in new format, 40% in old). My plan iswas to import last version (16. version - from http://www.ethnologue.com/codes/download-code-tables) to WD and then remove old version from infoboxes on pl.wiki. Malarz pl (talk) 08:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
SIL code and ISO 639-3 are not the same codes. SIL codes is a big subset of ISO 639-3 codes. Malarz pl (talk) 15:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
SIL codes are not a subset of ISO 639-3 codes, e.g. PQL is not contained in ISO 639-3. Andrea Shan (talk) 03:18, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

False values[edit]

@Malarz pl: - "tig" is not a SIL code for Tigre, but "TIE" is. [2]. All your ~38 assignments yesterday [3] were wrong. Andrea Shan (talk) 04:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

NO. All my assigmnments were good and were consistent with P1627 description. YOU heve change description AFTER my edits and YOUR description was wrong to earlier edits. Malarz pl (talk) 15:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
"tig" is not a SIL code. Not even the SIL website does call the ISO 639-3 codes SIL code. Andrea Shan (talk) 03:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Ethnologue 16[edit]

Ethnologue 16 is obsolete. Ethnologue 17 has been published in 2013. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 13:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

corrected. Malarz pl (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 22:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

lowercase SIL code[edit]

The lowercase SIL code are obsolete (see w:en:Ethnologue). Use ISO 639-3 code (P220) instead. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 13:32, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

But no all ISO639-3 codes are used in Ethnologue. May can't use ISO 639-3 code (P220) to link to http://www.ethnologue.com/language/{P220} in all cases. Malarz pl (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
"But no all ISO639-3 codes are used in Ethnologue." → So what? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
reply here
"can't use ISO 639-3 code (P220) to link to http://www.ethnologue.com/language/{P220} in all cases." → ISO 639-3 code (P220) link to http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=$1 and will not link to http://www.ethnologue.com/language/$1 . Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
reply here
In "http://archive.ethnologue.com/16/show_language.asp?code=pol" and in "http://www.ethnologue.com/language/pol", "pol" is not a SIL code, but an ISO 639-3 code. Claiming that this "pol" is a SIL code is misleading, false, and misinformation. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
In "http://archive.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=POL", "POL" is a SIL code (but of course ethnologue 14 is obsolete). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
reply here
If you want a wikidata property to, and only to, make http://www.ethnologue.com/language/$1 links in (Polish?) Wikipedia, then I suggest you to create either:
  • "ethnologue.com URL" wikidata property (URL), example "http://www.ethnologue.com/language/pol"
  • "ethnologue.com partial URL" wikidata property (String), example "pol", computed to create the URL
  • "this language has an ISO 639-3 code and an ethnologue.com URL using this ISO 639-3 code" wikidata property (Boolean), example "yes", computed with ISO 639-3 code (P220) to create the URL
Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
reply here

SIL or Ethnologue[edit]

What is the intended choice? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:19, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

If no answer by 10 day, i will propose the property for deletion. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

2015-01 proposal[edit]

Proposal:

  • switch to old 3 uppercase letters codes, as stated in Wikidata:Requests for deletions/Archive/2014/Properties/1#P1627
  • do not delete and recreate the property
  • stay with the current translated names at Property:P1627
  • forbid the use in infobox, change "|infobox parameter = "sil" in :pl:Szablon:Język infobox" to "|infobox parameter = forbidden"
  • change "|allowed values = 3 lowercase letters" to "|allowed values = 3 uppercase letters"
  • change "|source = Ethnologue editions 17" to "|source = Ethnologue editions 10 to 14"
  • change "|example = Polish (Q809) => "pol"" to "|example = Polish (Q809) => "PQL""
  • change Constraint:Format pattern to uppercase
  • delete Constraint:Unique value and Constraint:Single value

If no answer by 10 day, i will propose the property for deletion. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I think that old SIL (uppercasees) codes are useless. I have no idea how can I use them. I'd like to use those property for linking to Ethnologue. I can't make it with ISO 639-3 code (P220), because not all languages have information in Ethnologue (example: http://www.ethnologue.com/language/osp - there are 400 others ISO codes without information on Ethnologue). Maybe we should change the name of this property to something like "Ethnologue id". Malarz pl (talk) 12:05, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Sound good. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Can I proceed? The Languages WikiProject does not exist. Please correct the name. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Done. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 22:10, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Malarz pl (talk) 11:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)