Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard

From Wikidata
Jump to: navigation, search
Shortcut: WD:AN
Administrators' noticeboard
This is a noticeboard for all matters requiring administrator attention. IRC channel: #wikidata connect
On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2015/02.


Requests for deletions

low

~12 open requests for deletions. (live)


Global Pushing[edit]

continuation of Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/2014/10#Global pushing?

see Q18729000 and all linked Wikipedia articles. Is it possible to block these IP's for a longer time perdiod? --Pasleim (talk) 13:46, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The user(s) created articles in at least 24 25 wikis:

--Pasleim (talk) 09:59, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I asked the stewards to delete them since this is clearly cross-wiki spam.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
All but two have now been deleted, those two remaining because the wikis they are on have local admins which can handle them. Those should be gone soon. Ajraddatz (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Started again; before they're merged (and later hopefully deleted), see Q18785011. Jared Preston (talk) 11:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Bump. He/She/It is still at it. The stewards need to do something about this! Jared Preston (talk) 16:30, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Is there a reason why we don't merge Q18729000 and Q18785011 now? Of course, that wouldn't help with the spamming attack, but it would help keep Wikidata cleaner. Is there a benefit in temporarily having two items when it comes to watching the user's activities? --YMS (talk) 16:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
No benefit, no. Merged them now. Maybe there are more items out there too... Jared Preston (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
I hope a steward will soon consider this request --Pasleim (talk) 21:13, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
A new addition. Jared Preston (talk) 18:40, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
And there is another one.--Vyom25 (talk) 10:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Have taken some actions, though prior example says that the egotists will be back with variations. Can I ask that further reports be made to m:Vandalism reports. There are a number of tools that stewards and meta admins can utilise to manage this sort of thing.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:13, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I have been through and deleted the remaining pages crosswiki for the small wikis, and pushed jaWP I have removed the links here, and requested deletion of the page. I will hazard a guess that they will be back with a variation, so please notify as above.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Jared Preston (talk) 12:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Next round. --Succu (talk) 09:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

As suggested, I've filed the issue at meta:Vandalism reports. I've merged the most recent item to the older one and blocked the IP for a month, not that it will make any difference... Jared Preston (talk) 10:41, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted mrWP and again asked jaWP to delete their page. I note that the WD page still exists, and there is a redirect from invalid ID (Q18964885). Just keep deleting them. To note that I have a global filter which does flag the name, but maybe I will need to whack it harder, though will wait a few days.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

@Jared Preston, billinghurst, Ajraddatz: Another case. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 18:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to say "report this at meta", but it seems they don't give much of a toss over there after nearly a fortnight without action. I can't delete the Wikipedia entries, only a steward can. Maybe billinghurst would do the honours? After all, he's the only nice guy that's helped at all in this matter. Jared Preston (talk) 18:22, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
There's not actually much more what could be done on Meta... "Javad Ramezani" is already blacklisted on Meta, so it's not possible to create pages using that title. But now he is using different alphabets, so it's hard to catch them by filter. --Stryn (talk) 18:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
It's not that we don't give a toss, it's that we can't act on most of the pages that are created. If the wiki has local admins, then we can only tag them for deletion and wait for local admins - something anyone can do. Either that, or we invoke the "crosswiki" clause that allows us to act on projects with active admins, and risk people being very upset at us... No way to win! I've tagged the kmwiki page for deletion; the siwiki page has already been tagged and the others deleted. Ajraddatz (talk) 21:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Stewards done nothing? Furthest from the reality. Spam filter, deletion requests, deletions, and protections crosswiki. Have we got everything? Probably not.  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect propriety[edit]

User ‎Michiel1972 I think is massively adding incorret property location (P276) to street items I warned yesterday in his talk unanswered. What do you think we should do? --Rippitippi (talk) 16:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

If you think he's being disruptive, and he's not responding to your queries, I would say block him to trigger the kill-switch on Widar, then direct him to the message on this talk page. George Edward CTalkContributions 17:02, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
@Rippitippi: I don't think his edits are incorrect. Take for example this edit. What would be wrong with it? You say it's only for movable objects, but there is no such contraint on that property. It is weird that some languages other than English (and Dutch) seem to assert that. (also @Michiel1972:)Multichill (talk) 07:08, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
P276 has been merged with (OBSOLETE) located in place (use P276) (P1134) last month, so P276 'location' should be used with movable objects, monuments, buildings, villages, parks, streets, etc. As long as the item value it is not a copy of P131. Michiel1972 (talk) 09:45, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't think that this property is used incorrectly. Obviously, a street needs a property that contains the town/city it is in, and location seems to be the best fit. If there would be a better property (that's not the municipality, as this is broader then a town/city) it could be replaced, but not better property has been suggested yet. Edoderoo (talk) 09:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
@Rippitippi: care to respond? Multichill (talk) 19:26, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
@Multichill:I do not think I have to answer anything I was wrong because the property labels were not changed in Italian ‎Michiel1972 edits are fair --Rippitippi (talk) 19:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

help restore valid interwiki links[edit]

Hello,

Could you help restore valid interwiki links to en wiki articles that account Dima41 is removing.

Many thanks.

188.123.245.130 22:08, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, I have gone through all his/her removals now, and warned him/her not to continue. I'll try and remember to check every once in a while. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Reminding a VisualEditor-related appointment.[edit]

Hi all. VisualEditor is active as a Beta Feature here. The delivery of its newsletter here is currently disabled, so I'm following Multichill's advice and I'm kindly asking to please put a watchlist notice or a similar message somewhere ASAP to let people know about the upcoming triage meetings, if possible. Thank you for your attention, and talk to you soon. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 19:57, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

I think Wikidata should just be added again to the proper distribution list. --LydiaPintscher (talk) 14:20, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree. Why was it even removed from the list? --Stryn (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
See here. Multichill's point is that people who are active on Wikidata already get the newsletter at their home wikis or at their talk pages. We only target 10 village pumps or so here (I don't have the full list, I'm only using the same one which is used to deliver main global announcements). --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Showcase item[edit]

I would like to propose an item for showcase item. It's enough to add it to the "Proposed for Showcase" section in Wikidata:Showcase_items? Thanks in advance! --Quico (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

FWIW this is resolved now. Ajraddatz (talk) 18:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, thank you.--Quico (talk) 18:44, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

User:Borgatya[edit]

Will another administrator warn User:Borgatya to stop vandalizing pages and stop edit warring? E.g in here he clearly does not follow the guidelines stating labels begin with a lowercase letter or in other articles where he goes against the consensus. I do not want to take action myself as I'm already involved in the dispute. --Csigabi (talk) 11:06, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

In the meantime I blocked him for 24 hours, because he went into edit war with another user (User:Pallerti) in spite of sufficient warning. --Csigabi (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

@Csigabi: - I have explained everything to the user via Email. George Edward CTalkContributions 17:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
@Csigabi: I suggest you re-read the definition of Wikidata:Vandalism because if the edits are not in bad faith, then they can't be vandalism. You shouldn't make blocks while involved, either.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I have to agree with Jasper here, unfortunately. They don't seem to know what edit warring is, so that should have been explained to the user at the time. George Edward CTalkContributions 17:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

@George.Edward.C:, @Jasper Deng:, I explained the situation in email to you. The email contains information that I do not want to reveal unless you insist on it. User:Borgatya's edits were definitely not good faith edits. I don't think reverting an article to the wrong version can be considered as good faith edit, anyway. Also. please check the edit history of Borgatya's talk page. He reverted the warnings without comment. --Csigabi (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Replied. George Edward CTalkContributions 18:22, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@Csigabi: Your email has no diffs that concretely prove it... and the edits themselves seem to have nothing to do with the contents of the email. Thus it stands that you inappropriately blocked the user while involved (it is clear that at the least you weren't the best person to do it). Moreover, you are every bit as guilty of edit warring as he is, looking at the history of that page.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:25, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

@Csigabi: I will say that Borgatya's edits were not vandalism. Though "Wikipedia disambiguation page" is correct. Another thing Csigabi, I cannot validate the claims in your e-mail to me. And lastly, I don't know Hungarian, but it looks that your "warnings" consist of yelling and the word "vandalism" (vandalizmus). I'm not trying to say that you're the only user that did wrong here, I'm just throwing these things out there. --AmaryllisGardener talk 18:42, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

It appears to me, when going through some of this story again after a brief look this morning, that the blocking administrator is guilty of having the feeling that he was being personally attacked, and could, or maybe should have come here or asked someone else sooner. As a result, he shouldn't have made this block, but the stubborn behaviour of the now-blocked user would have lead to a block of some sorts by someone else anyway. He argues on his talk page that he's "a good and useful editor", and although I do assume good faith, there are numerous edits that this user has made which go against our guidelines in his history, which is why I call him stubborn. And yes, this can be annoying. So to sum this up, somehow, although Csigabi made the wrong moves, it is to some extent understandable, if not inevitable, and I laud Ymblanter for his words in conclusion. I don't see any reason to make this bigger than it is, nor do I see any reason to censure our colleague any further. Jared Preston (talk) 18:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener:, @Jared Preston:, @George.Edward.C:, @Ymblanter: Back again. I would like to ask you guys to look into this case more thoroughly. Borgatya's today edits definitely cannot be considered as good faith edits, he simply reverts my edits because I am the one who have done them. I tried to communicate with him on his talk page again, to point out that his edits are not consistent with his own previous edits, they do not comply with the guidelines, tried to persuade him to be more constructive, to no avail. He simply reverted my requests with comments like: "who do you think you are?", "don't shit on my talk page" etc. I don't really want to talk about the obscene words. They speak for themselves. However I care about the project, that I am devoted to, and what his disruptive attitude damages. To my standards this behaviour and language is not acceptable. He should find himself very quickly on the sideline. Here on Wikidata, where the language we are speaking is not well known, it is not obvious for everyone what he is doing. --Csigabi (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Csigabi: Diffs and other links please (and please, not in email). Also he has every right to remove comments on his talk page as he pleases.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:45, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng: I am afraid this would not help much due to language issues. This is one example where he tries to go against the notion of usage of labels and descriptions, that I have been systematically working on in general for the past months. Learning from recent events I did not even try to revert it again; I guessed what the outcome would be. --Csigabi (talk) 20:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

You are right, anyone can remove messages from his/her talk page. But where does this lead to when you try to communicate your arguments? For me this - along with the abusive comments in his summaries - shows that the person is not willing to have a discusssion at all. That is the reason I am here. --Csigabi (talk) 20:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hidiș (Q754935) and Pomezeu (Q16425692) are the same place[edit]

Title says it all. These are the same place and need to be merged. Don't know how to do that, tried to add a Wikipedia link and hoped it would take me to merge, but because the "Site" button appears over the top of where I should click to add one, I can't even attempt to add a new link (no matter what settings I have in my broswer, Firefox). Frustrating! SimonTrew (talk) 13:36, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Actually, in Q16425692 there is an Ukrainian link about the commune, meaning the items can not be easily merged. One needs to examine which article is about what.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:08, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Pomezeu is a commune, Hidis is a village in Pomezeu territory. --ValterVB (talk) 15:26, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
As ValterVB says, these entries cannot be merged as they belong to different entities. --Csigabi (talk) 20:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Template:Watchlist summary[edit]

I've made edits to the above template, but they are not showing up in the watchlist; would someone mind taking a look and fixing it? --Rschen7754 17:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Can you mark it for translation again? For the updates to go to the subpages, it needs to be dummy-edited (I just did) and marked again. . --Glaisher (talk) 18:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
✓ Done Matěj Suchánek (talk) 18:12, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh, okay... thanks! --Rschen7754 18:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Property proposal closures: backlog[edit]

Could we have some admin attention at Wikidata:Property proposal/Unsorted (particulalry #YourPaintings venue/collection identifier), please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

On it. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 11:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for those you closed, but we still have a considerable backlog, some several months old, including the example above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:08, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Request delete[edit]

Request deletion of all these pages, I'll be using GlobalCssJs instead. Thanks.--Lam-ang (talk) 19:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done. --Stryn (talk) 19:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

merge[edit]

Hello. I'm wondering if it is possible to merge the items Q600093 and Q3624777. Both are the same issue. Thanks Trasamundo (talk) 19:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Nope, both items have a sitelink to cswiki and itwiki. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
For Italian pages: Q600093: story of the Spain during Asburgo period, Q3624777:Story of the Spanish branch of Asburgo family. --ValterVB (talk) 20:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Ruumis (Buffy, vampyyrintappaja)[edit]

Hello, fi:Ruumis (Buffy, vampyyrintappaja) was recently accepted as a good article in fi.wikipedia, but for some reason I can't edit the Wikidata page of the article. Can someone edit the badge in there? Thanks. --URunICon (talk) 14:43, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done, thanks for letting us know. --Stryn (talk) 14:46, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Links for communication between categories[edit]

Dear admins, sorry for the bad English.

I ask You to take an action that I can't run due to lack of authority. In Russian Wikipedia has a category Категория:Методы очистки газовых смесей, which correspond on the English Wikipedia Category:Solid-gas separation. I ask You to make the necessary links for communication between categories.

With respect AlexChirkin (talk) 10:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@AlexChirkin: ✓ Done. In the future, if you have the same problem, you can see Help:Merge#Automatic merge. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

1991 UNCAF Nations Cup[edit]

The page has finally been given GA status. For some reason, I can't change it myself. Could an admin go ahead and give the GA badge to the other different language versions of the article? Thanks! Hawaiifive0 (talk) 18:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

What article exactly? I'll go ahead and add it :) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 18:44, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry...I forgot to copy the link. It is there now. :P Hawaiifive0 (talk) 18:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
✓ Done :) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 18:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

72.10.124.210[edit]

72.10.124.210 (talkcontribslogs) — valdalism, it would be good to hide some of the edits. Thanks, — Adavyd (talk) 20:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Will hide the offensive revisions, one second. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 20:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Can only find one edit that could be deleted, and that may need oversighter attention. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 20:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Revdelled. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 20:10, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks… But do you think that this one and this one are acceptable? Just look at the edit descriptions in the list of contributions… — Adavyd (talk) 20:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it's severe enough to call for Revdel personally, although if another admin disagrees, please delete it. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 20:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Floribella (telenovela brasileira)[edit]

This article is good at the pt.wikipedia, but I can't save the edit here. LuizM (talk) 20:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 20:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

IP[edit]

are this edits acceptable? [1] ?--Rippitippi (talk) 01:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't see anything meaningful in those pages, so I nuked all of them.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikibooks mapping to Wikidata items - DEPLOYMENT IS TUESDAY[edit]

Please take a look at Wikidata:Wikibooks/Development, and give your feedback on how we should handle Wikibooks interwiki links. The deployment is this Tuesday, so we really need to get this in order very quickly! Rschen7754, sent by --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Messing with religion (P140) and several main items[edit]

@Genium: has started some sort of campaign against the use of Catholicism (Q1841) as a statement for religion (P140), because «Catholicism is not a religion». I have tried to explain to him why his edits are wrong, but he has reverted me, in several items without making much sense. For instance, he reuses this link as a reference even when I pointed out that it does not refers to Catholicism (Q1841) but to Catholic Church (Q9592). Referring to the value type "religion (Q9174)", Property talk:P140 states that this «property should use items as value that contain property instance of (P31). On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value religion (Q9174) (or a subclass thereof)», so that is precisely the case of Catholicism (well, at least before Genium's reinterpretation). Anyway, all his recent edits seem disruptive to me, but I can not act on it because I am involved. Could someone else pay attention to this issue? The user had the option to discuss this with me or in the property talk page, but instead chose to start an edit war, in which I will not take part. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 01:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

There is no campaign here, Catholicism is not a new religion created from Christianism, it's an instance of Catholic Church. The meaning of Religion and Church is different, so I propose to create a new property to distinguish the two : church. genium ⟨✉⟩ 03:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Massive incorrect inserts of television drama (Q1366112)[edit]

television drama (Q1366112) is specifically a television genre, but GZWDer (flood) (talkcontribslogs) massively inserted it as instance of (P31) in several hundreds of elements. The mere insertion of it in that property should already be incorrect, as it should be inserted as genre (P136), if anywhere, but it also has been inserted in many elements that are not even television productions, like novels, manga, etc, and also on television productions that are not dramas at all (perhaps as a confusion with Japanese television drama (Q399811), which has nothing to do with television drama (Q1366112), and which also would be incorrect in many items as noted above). This was done around a week ago, last February 16th, but I discovered it just now. The user (which I suppose is a bot, as it has been doing nearly 500 edits each 4 minutes) has not edited since then and the bot's controller's user page reads "Semi-Retired", that's why I came here in the first place. What should be done?--Manbemel (talk) 02:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Manbemel, please bring this up on GZWDer's talk page first. If you don't get a response you can always come here. Multichill (talk) 08:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Manbemel:
  • P31: I'm going to fix it by autolist, but currently https://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/ is broken and I'm going to do that later. If this page is fixed you can also do it.
  • Inserts in novels, manga, etc: Several articles' topic is both novels or manga and television dramas based on it. If there're many such item I'm going to remove these incorrect statements.

--GZWDer (talk) 10:35, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Fusionar[edit]

Giuseppina Huguet (Q5565552) <--> Josefina Huguet (Q11033883). Laura Fiorucci (talk) 13:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done--Ymblanter (talk) 15:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Fusionar 2[edit]

Q1736029 <--> Q9554572. Laura Fiorucci (talk) 21:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

✓ Done You can use Merge gadget to do yourself. --ValterVB (talk) 21:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Csigabi's constant arbitrary actions[edit]

I am calling attention to Administrators' noticeboard that editor "Csigabi" always abuses of his editor's rights because he does constant arbitrary actions that he makes quasi for the benefit of Wikidata but in fact these actions are arbitary and they serve only his personal revenge. Csigabi's last action was to protect "Flóra Kádár" article until 15 March 2015 because of edit warring but this justification was only an arbitrary and unrealistic motivation. Csigabi is an completely inappropriate for his task, service as an administrator because he violates the most important norm, rule for the admins to be, to remain neutral and he always acts for his favourites, his friends and he always wants to punish his putative enemies. I would like to remind the administrators that there was a debate between Csigabi and me and he has accused me to do vandalism and it has become clear that his accusation was false. So he has had no right to protect the page named above, I've already justified that the dispute is personal between the administrator named above and me and Csigabi has just begun to pick a quarrel between us. I myself ask other administrators warn him to his rights and they who has viewed, monitored my former editings can have experienced that I am a good and useful editor and I am working for the benefit of Wikipedia and Wikidata and the administator who is not neutral, is completely inappropriate for his task, service as an administrator. Thank you for your kind attention!Borgatya (talk) 13:00, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Csigabi, your opinion on this? Matěj Suchánek (talk) 13:15, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Matěj Suchánek:His incoherent words speak for themselves. He went into edit war with another editor, who, being aware that I am and administrator here asked advice. So I protected the article to prevent further edit warring, knowing all too well that he would not stop. Please have a look at this edit history where he, though did not reverted, simpy overwrote the same editor's good faith edit. He even reverts/overwrites the articles to the wrong version in order to have his presumed truth justified. These kind of his edits are definitely not good faith edits. If you look at his edit history on February 26 between 13:14 and 13:26 you can see it yourself that he simply reverted a great number of my edits, not because they were wrong but because they were not his. As a matter of fact, being a Hungarian native, I follow the edits of huwiki editors on Wikidata. I correct their mistakes, give them advice, request changes, etc. All of them listen to me and follow the advice I give. I tried to have a discussion with him on certain formal requirements of his edits so that they comply with the guidelines of Wikidata (e.g. begin descriptions with a lowercase letter except when uppercase would normally be required). Now please have a look at the history of Borgatya's talk page. In addition to the foul language he used you can see that he simply reverted my requests, I doubt if he had ever read them. For your information: this guy on huwiki, under a different user name, has been blocked about two dozen times for the exact same reason. It seems that he pursues the same attitude here. --Csigabi (talk) 16:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)