Talk:Q336

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Subjects are instances, not classes[edit]

We never say A is a science, right?
Please don't use subclass of (P279) or instance of (P31) to link this. You may use part of (P361) instead.
Btw, I do want to see some specified version of part of (P361).金亦天 (talk) 05:44, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

What is science (Q336)?[edit]

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some languages (de,es,pt) link a term to science (Q336) that also includes arts and humanities, but in enwiki it is en:science which does not include arts and humanities. Diskussions: de:Diskussion:Wissenschaft#Comment_on_meaning_on_other_languages en:Talk:Science#Interwiki-Links--Hokanomono (talk) 16:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Further, exact science (Q475023) seems to be the same as science (Q336).--Hokanomono (talk) 19:41, 13 December 2013 (UTC)--Hokanomono (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

There are the following distinct notions:

  • Wissenschaft/Scientia/Cienca/Nauka: includes science, humanities and philosophy
  • en:Science: includes formal sciences and natural science, but does not include humanities and philosophy.

These have to be split.

exact science (Q475023) is very close to the English science, but maybe slightly different. en:exact science is not very precise about that.

The disambiguation page Science (Q1294710) includes links to some pages with a totally different spelling. I will split them out. --Hokanomono (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

✓ Done disambiguation page links--Hokanomono (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

At first I thought, that it was the best to leave en:science linked to science (Q336) and have a new item for Wissenschaft/Scientia/Cienca/Nauka, but as for example social science (Q34749) is defined as a subclass of (P279) of science (Q336), it may be better to consider en:science to be the misplaced link in science (Q336) and leave most of the others in place. Some (e.g. en:science, ja:科学) will have to be moved to a new item for the restrictive notion of science.--Hokanomono (talk) 20:29, 21 December 2013 (UTC)--Hokanomono (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

At least in those three cases, en:Science, de:Wissenschaft and pt:Ciência, the connection between them is correct (Ref.). Lauro Chieza de Carvalho (talk) 22:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
As a German-speaking scientist I have no doubt that the German term Wissenschaft includes theology (possibly disputed by some philosophers, but in the mainstream opinion it is Wissenschaft), history, jurisprudence, literary science, mathematics, and engineering. See also Wissenschaft is not the same as science and de:Portal:Wissenschaft. For me the open questions are: what are the other language articles about? Are the articles' subjects similar enough for an inter-wiki link to be more useful than confusing?--Hokanomono (talk) 09:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

See also

wiki article subject, scope
dewiki de:Wissenschaft a notion that includes science, mathematics, logic, engineering, philosophy, theology, jurisprudence and humanities. see also [1]
dewiki de:Naturwissenschaft natural science
dewiki de:Realwissenschaft empirical sciences
enwiki en:Science not clear, probably science covering natural sciences, social sciences and formal sciences. cf. en:Science (disambiguation), en:Talk:Science#Distinction from philosophy, en:Talk:Science/Archive_6#Interwiki-Links
enwiki en:Natural science natural science
lawiki la:Scientia (ratio) a notion that includes science, mathematics, logic, engineering, philosophy, humanities, jurisprudence, theology and astrology

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