Property talk:P364

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original language of this work
language in which a work was originally created


Type "work (Q386724)": element must contain property instance of (P31) with class work (Q386724) or its subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279))
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P364#Type Q386724
Value type "variety (Q3329375)": This property should use items as value that contain property instance of (P31). On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value variety (Q3329375) (or a subclass thereof).
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P364#Value type Q3329375
Single value: this property generally contains a single value
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P364#Single value


rename to "language"[edit]

Sorry, I did not notice this property, but I think this property should be renamed to language.

  • We should have a different item for each different tranlsation of a book (see for instance Wikidata Talk:Books task force#Relations between books). That means that we should add a language property to each edition, not just the original one. We also need to have a way to know which item is the original edition. The original language is usally just the language of the original version. For more problematic cases, we can use qualifiers.
  • I am not sure we need items for every dubbing of a movie, but it seems fine to use "language" for the original language. (that is what en:Infobox film does it).
  • There are cases "original language" does not apply, but a "language" property would still be useful. For instance, we should be able to say that the Rosetta Stone contains inscriptions in Greek. --Zolo (talk) 12:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

One minor problem there may be with calling it "language" is that collides with "native language" (P:P103). As explained on Property talk:P103, I think that it would make sense to extend P103 that a person speaks non-natively. It we do that, I would think it would make sense to also merge that with this property. --Zolo (talk) 22:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Now I came here from Property talk:P357 and you send me to Property talk:P103. I think it's not the best idea to merge all these properties ... --Kolja21 (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

single value[edit]

there are lots of films and other works that have two or more original languages. the single value constraint should be removed. --Akkakk 00:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

They may have, but I wonder if we don't get primarily lists of available synchronizations on the constraint report. --  Docu  at 18:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

renamed label[edit]

I removed the "(creative work)" addition from the label. There are about 800 properties and no other have an addition like this. It's part of the description to explain the usage. --Nightwish62 (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Does it make sense as qualifier?[edit]

I added a qualifier original language of this work (P364) with value Swedish (Q9027) inside claim for occupation (P106) with value translator (Q333634) in Barbara Gawryluk (Q15069307). I wonder whether it makes some sense or such things shall be avoided. It does not tell about preferred direction of translating. There can be also cases when translation is performed between two foreign languages. I saw an interview with a Polish translator who worked in EU and was performing live translation from English to French and back. Paweł Ziemian (talk) 19:36, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

That is clearly inappropriate since this is intended for material that is translated, not the translator. Circeus (talk) 23:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


Given names and new label ("language" changed to "language of work")[edit]

Ash Crow
Dereckson
Harmonia Amanda
Hsarrazin
Jura
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This property is used on many items for given names. The new label doesn't quite work there. What to do? --- Jura 07:46, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

this property is, and always was, intended for texts (books, articles), or films…, to indicate the "original language" - its use for given names seems quite strange :S --Hsarrazin (talk) 19:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, with the old label, it went fairly well ;)
Would we need to create a new property or could we use another existing one? --- Jura 19:48, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I went with the first solution: Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#Language --- Jura 05:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I changed the labels to prevent people to use it for persons. There were thousands of constraining errors because it was frequently mixed up, and people would not notice the difference without changing the labels, because they dont look at the descriptions. In some languages labels and/or descriptions are missing so users don´t understand it to full extent.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 05:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. --- Jura 05:37, 12 December 2014 (UTC)